i've done a little bit of research, but i would like to hear it straight from the horses mouth, as they say. What does it mean to be a charasmatic.
To be filled with the Holy Spirit and establish a abiding relationship with Him. Consider Ezekiel, who experienced frequent contact with God's Holy Spirit, a rarity at the time. His relationship also anticipated Pentecost.
The problem with terms like ‘Charismatic’ and ‘Pentecostal’ is that they have been widely used and misused, and now mean different things to different people.
A helpful way to better understand the differences between these terms is to understand their history. My rough understanding is this:
The Pentecostal movement grew up out of a move of the Holy Spirit on Azusa Street in the USA in 1906; where people started to speak in tongues etc.
The Charismatic movement grew up out of a more widespread spiritual ‘awakening’ in the 1970s, in the US and UK, which saw many Baptists and conservative Christians starting to embrace and experience the full gospel (the gifts of the Holy Spirit).
The Word of Faith movement sprang out of the Pentecostal movement in the 1950s, largely as a result of writings by Kenyon, which were popularized (and plagiarized) by Ken Hagin.
WoF roots in Pentecostalism, is probably why – generally speaking – Pentecostals are more sympathetic towards WoF than traditional Charismatics.
Originally Posted by 2 King
We believe in the Power of Words (i.e Speaking faith over your life) … Falling under the power of God (Slain in the Spirit)
The power of words is true of Charismatics but you have to be careful, because mainstream traditional Charismatics don’t cross the line into ‘positive confession’ which is a WoF belief. Being ‘slain in the Spirit’ is universally accepted by Pentecostals, but although many traditional Charismatics will accept it, it really is rooted in Pentecostalism. Another Pentecostal belief is that being filled with Spirit should have evidence of speaking on tongues; which is not a Charismatic belief (required evidence is not Charismatic, but Charismatics do believe in tongues).
Originally Posted by wlajoie74
alright, so what is the difference between wof and non-wof.
One of the obvious differences is that most WoF believe God wants them to be healthy and wealthy. They believe God has promised them this in the scripture, they just need to claim it by faith (see ‘positive confession’ mentioned above).
But the fundamental difference I have observed, is a very different understanding of ‘WHO GOD IS’. WoF see only a positive God, one who desires to love, bless and heal. It’s hard for them to recognize the side of God that is wrathful, who allows suffering and pain; WoF prefer to attribute all that to Satan.
It’s also important to know that 95% of Christian TV is WoF; and WoF has heavily influenced Pentecostal and Charismatic beliefs and churches in the 21st century. But most Christians – whose beliefs have been influenced by WoF - don’t even know that the WoF movement exists.
Originally Posted by heron
Wow. I was not involved in the creation of this subforum, but at the time I understood it to be created for the purpose of avoiding continual arguments. I would not be posting in this subforum if it were headed with the description of "not wanting any association with that segment." We are all in the family of Christ, His royal priesthood, His holy nation. I hope I am not stirring up the need for a sub-sub-subforum.
Well I was very much involved in the creation of this sub-forum, and it was really about mainstream traditional Charismatics, who were not Pentecostal or WoF, having a place of their own (just as WoF and Pentecostals had their own forum) away from the constant friction.
It had nothing to do with not wanting any association with other groups.
Hope this helps. Simon
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Last edited by Simon Peter; 19th October 2009 at 06:13 PM.
alright, so what is the difference between wof and non-wof.
Furthermore...
The WoF belief that God has already accomplished and provided everything for them, has a profound impact on their practice of Christianity. It actually places all the emphasis on them, instead of on God. God has done His part, now it’s your responsibility to believe it, claim it and experience it.
Alternatively, a non-WoF perspective is more of a grey area. God’s will and provision are often a mystery, and are ultimately considered to be in God’s hands, not ours. However, there are times when non-WoF will stand on a promise of God and claim it, but this stance should be initiated by a relationship with the Holy Spirit in specific circumstances, not by a system of belief that attempts to make God’s will more ‘black and white’ in every situation.
I stayed late in the night alone with a WoF Christian friend whose thirty-something wife was dying in the nearby ward. His whole emphasis was about having enough faith for her to be healed. He wouldn’t even let people visit her bedside if they didn’t absolutely believe God was going to heal her. He had no peace, no sense of God’s sovereignty, no realization that at times like these God draws near and takes upon Himself all the weight of uncertainty.
That night should have been a time of calm trust, a time when his relationship with God came into it’s own and produced the fruit of peace. He could have just rested in the knowledge and belief that God could heal her, and released his wife into God’s hands, and His will.
Instead it was a frustrating and miserable experience of trying to conjure up enough faith for healing, trying to determine which friends and pastors had the faith to bring about a miracle. And despite his - and others - best efforts in the practice of ‘faith’, she did die that very night.
Then, instead of starting the process of mourning, he was still 'believing God' for a miracle, and so the emphasis became all about her being raised from the dead...
peace, Simon
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Last edited by Simon Peter; 20th October 2009 at 12:43 PM.
The problem with terms like ‘Charismatic’ and ‘Pentecostal’ is that they have been widely used and misused, and now mean different things to different people.
A helpful way to better understand the differences between these terms is to understand their history. My rough understanding is this:
The Pentecostal movement grew up out of a move of the Holy Spirit on Azusa Street in the USA in 1906; where people started to speak in tongues etc.
The Charismatic movement grew up out of a more widespread spiritual ‘awakening’ in the 1970s, in the US and UK, which saw many Baptists and conservative Christians starting to embrace and experience the full gospel (the gifts of the Holy Spirit).
The Word of Faith movement sprang out of the Pentecostal movement in the 1950s, largely as a result of writings by Kenyon, which were popularized (and plagiarized) by Ken Hagin.
WoF roots in Pentecostalism, is probably why – generally speaking – Pentecostals are more sympathetic towards WoF than traditional Charismatics.
The power of words is true of Charismatics but you have to be careful, because mainstream traditional Charismatics don’t cross the line into ‘positive confession’ which is a WoF belief. Being ‘slain in the Spirit’ is universally accepted by Pentecostals, but although many traditional Charismatics will accept it, it really is rooted in Pentecostalism. Another Pentecostal belief is that being filled with Spirit should have evidence of speaking on tongues; which is not a Charismatic belief (required evidence is not Charismatic, but Charismatics do believe in tongues).
One of the obvious differences is that most WoF believe God wants them to be healthy and wealthy. They believe God has promised them this in the scripture, they just need to claim it by faith (see ‘positive confession’ mentioned above).
But the fundamental difference I have observed, is a very different understanding of ‘WHO GOD IS’. WoF see only a positive God, one who desires to love, bless and heal. It’s hard for them to recognize the side of God that is wrathful, who allows suffering and pain; WoF prefer to attribute all that to Satan.
It’s also important to know that 95% of Christian TV is WoF; and WoF has heavily influenced Pentecostal and Charismatic beliefs and churches in the 21st century. But most Christians – whose beliefs have been influenced by WoF - don’t even know that the WoF movement exists.
Well I was very much involved in the creation of this sub-forum, and it was really about mainstream traditional Charismatics, who were not Pentecostal or WoF, having a place of their own (just as WoF and Pentecostals had their own forum) away from the constant friction.
It had nothing to do with not wanting any association with other groups.
Hope this helps. Simon
I have an example for you simion. It start at stones folley in topeka ks. before cal. a black guy they wouldn't let into the meeting in Ks or Tx. went to cal. and the Holy Spirit broke out.
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I have an example for you simion. It start at stones folley in topeka ks. before cal. a black guy they wouldn't let into the meeting in Ks or Tx. went to cal. and the Holy Spirit broke out.
I'm sorry Enoch Son, but I have no idea what you are talking about.
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alright, so what is the difference between wof and non-wof.
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