I must reread Revelations again.I always thought it would be obvious for the people what they get,when let thet themselves be marked by the mark of the beast.Like someone is getting a microchip out of his/her OWN WILL.For example babies or young children being vaccinated...I don't know they can't decide.I always thought it would be a decision for people between the Lord and satan.
You raise good questions here. Now I am questioning how soon the rapture will appear since they may be chipping children very soon and they cannot choose. Something else is the young are not accountable to the Lord as those around 13 and up will be. Hmmm
This just occurred to me. Would any bodily chip or tatoo be considered a form of the mark of the beast as it is giving up one's freedoms ect to whatever governing body and trusting in the?
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I must reread Revelations again.I always thought it would be obvious for the people what they get,when let thet themselves be marked by the mark of the beast.Like someone is getting a microchip out of his/her OWN WILL.For example babies or young children being vaccinated...I don't know they can't decide.I always thought it would be a decision for people between the Lord and satan.
We always have a choice, unless, of course, they tie us down and force it upon us that way. Mandatory means it is law, but even people in the Bible like Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, Jesus, the disciples, etc. went against the law when the law required something of them that went against God's laws, which are greater than man's laws.
I do see the "Mark of the Beast" as something that will be made mandatory, i.e. law, and that is when there will be a definite separation between the "sheep and the goats" because people will no longer be able to "ride the fence" spiritually, but they will have to choose to follow God or to follow man. The whole purpose of God's judgments, ultimately, is to show the world that he alone is God and to bring people to the Lord - to bring them to that place of decision.
Too many people are living in mediocrity and too many professing Christians are living just like the world, in fact, most of today's church is based upon worldly philosophies and methods. So, God must bring us to that point of decision where we must decide his mark or the other. Now, my understanding of Revelation is that God will mark those who are truly His, at least those who mourn over the sinful condition of the world as He does, before he allows the wrath of God to truly be poured out on the earth. At least that is my understanding.
I don't believe anyone can have the "Mark of the Beast" physically forced upon them. I do believe it has to be a choice. I also believe that this is not just a physical mark, because it represents those who have chosen not to believe in Jesus or not to follow Jesus. A "mark" has to do with influence or persuasion. In other words, if someone's "mark" has been left upon my life, it is their influence and their persusion in my life to live a certain way that is what they have left. The "mark" is supposed to be on the hand or on the forehead. The hand represents our deeds and the forehead represents our minds, emotions, intellect and decision-making, so if someone has the "mark" of the beast, it is more the influence on their lives that comes to the forefront, I believe, than anything else. I already see so much of this "mark" on the life of today's church.
Will there be a physical mark, too? I don't know. The Bible says the Law is written on our hearts. It has to do with what we think about, what influences our decisions, our beliefs, our behaviors, etc. What "mark" is on our lives by the way we live our lives and by the decisions we make every day?
Well... back to the vaccinations. Anything that can literally be forced upon us by someone physically tying us down and giving us a shot can not be the "mark" of the beast. But, we do have a choice to take it or not to take it unless it comes to physical forcing. We don't have to take it just because it is law, because God's laws are greater, esp. if we have knowledge that what they are giving us is something that is going to be harmful to us. We would be aiding them in doing wrong.
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Acts 26:16-18: Now get up and stand on your feet. I have appeared to you to appoint you as a servant and as a witness of what you have seen of me and what I will show you. I will rescue you from your own people and from the Gentiles. I am sending you to them to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.
This report gives a description of the history of implementing mandatory vaccinations. The very first instance of this was with smallpox in 1809 in Massachusetts. The case was taken to the Supreme Court and upheld in the case of Jacobsen v. Massachusetts, when the Supreme Court disagreed that such a law goes against a person’s “constitutional rights.”
I don't see how a vaccination could be the mark of the beast. That makes no sense to me at all.
In this instance the concern seems to be the validity of the threat as no.1) and no.2) the safety of the vaccine itself. This seems to be a rush without proper testing of a vaccine that hasn't met proper testing guidelines.
I don't see how a vaccination could be the mark of the beast. That makes no sense to me at all.
In this instance the concern seems to be the validity of the threat as no.1) and no.2) the safety of the vaccine itself. This seems to be a rush without proper testing of a vaccine that hasn't met proper testing guidelines.
I don't think anyone is saying that the vaccine is the "mark of the beast."
I did say that I believe if there is a physical mark that is the "mark of the beast" that it will be mandatory, thus causing people to make a decision for or against it. Those are just my thoughts. I also said I believe that the actual "mark" is more a heart issue than it is of taking a physical mark and that it has to be associated with choosing Christ or rejecting him, i.e. whose "mark" do we bear by our every day lives? If we were in a court of law, would the evidence point more to the world or to Jesus?
I agree with your assessment (above) concerning what you feel is the real issue with the vaccine, but there is more, I believe. For instance, take a look at this video:
I read about this previously, and I believe that I posted the document on this on this thread somewhere. Bottom line, this is more about the control of government over the people than anything else, i.e. leading to martial law and ultimately a dictatorship (the Beast of Revelation, basically). Then, you have the real mark of the beast - obey the government or be put in jail. We are going to have to choose between obeying God and obeying the government, just like Daniel did, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, the disciples, etc. There will be no more complacent believers. The line will be drawn in the sand and we will have to choose who we are loyal to; where our loyalties lie - to Obama and the USa or to the Lord.
__________________ Sue
Acts 26:16-18: Now get up and stand on your feet. I have appeared to you to appoint you as a servant and as a witness of what you have seen of me and what I will show you. I will rescue you from your own people and from the Gentiles. I am sending you to them to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.
Does anyone know if making the vaccine mandatory is without precedent? Has it occurred previously in US history?
Our children have always been required to have certain vaccinations in order to attend public school. I know that in the 50's we had mandatory polio shots given to us. My husband and I both have the marks on our arms to today and they look the same. I just remember how they lined all the students up in the school cafeteria and we each took our turn getting the shots. I know it made me sick and I cried. This is an interesting article about it:
Acts 26:16-18: Now get up and stand on your feet. I have appeared to you to appoint you as a servant and as a witness of what you have seen of me and what I will show you. I will rescue you from your own people and from the Gentiles. I am sending you to them to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.
I think the thing back then is that we just trusted what the government told us. We didn't have the Internet, Cable TV, and all the advanced forms of communication that today's world has. We had CBS, ABC and NBC and maybe one or two UHF channels (local). All the channels went off at 11:30 p.m. after the news, except on Friday nights when we got to stay up and watch a scarry movie on a late night movie that went until about 1:00 a.m.
__________________ Sue
Acts 26:16-18: Now get up and stand on your feet. I have appeared to you to appoint you as a servant and as a witness of what you have seen of me and what I will show you. I will rescue you from your own people and from the Gentiles. I am sending you to them to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.
In the very beginning of the video the interviewer states thousands sick and many have died. From what I know most recover quickly and only a few in the US have died. Only God knows where all this will lead.
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