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Devolutionism

Actually, there is a different theory of how to synthesise the scientific data claiming "evolutionary processes" and "natural selection" with the belief that God created--it is called Devolutionism.

The theory works something like this. Things were perfect, and then sin corrupted and is the causing agent of apparent evolutionary changes.

Humans were made to live forever, sin brought us death. We used to live hundreds of years, but we have been devolving into what we are today. So has all of creation. The common cat is a devolutionised form of the wild animal it once was. Initial creation was good. Devolved creation is corrupt.

Scientists are right, there is natural selection, there is "evolution". But we are wrong, it is not for the betterment and advance of species. It is the opposite. Scientists will wax on until they are blue in the face about chromosomes and adaptions and alleles and the sort. Thats what they are right about. But their application of the data is wrong. Furthermore, a species adapting for its self preservation is not a good thing and would not be happening without sin. It is because of sin these things become necessary--it is the response of nature to sin that causes it to change in the ways that it does.

We screwed ourselves and took the rest of creation with us...

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Well that seems like a cr*p theory.
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The theory of evolution has nothing to do with betterment or advancement. Evolution is not progress. These are human terms, human concepts. They have no place in biology. Biological evolution is simply change. An earthworm or amoeba today is the product of 3.8 billion years of evolution, the same as a man.

There is no such thing as devolution.
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You really think that humans used to be hundreds of years old?
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Yes, I really think humans used to live for 900+ years. I also think creation used to exist in harmony and used to be good.

And I still believe in devolution, I am a process theologian in reverse.
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Pacigoth13, deevolution, or even entropy seem to be a result of the fall of man.

Romans 8: 19-22 talks a little bit about it.

Yes it is also possible to believe that man had lived these long lives. In fact the Theo-Evos will present no real reason to disagree with the long life spans other than a mocking remark.

When you thin about it Adam and Eve were created in pretty good shape by God. No cancers, no diseases, not deformities to be passed along to their kids.

As time went on after the fall of mankind in the garden these life shortning elements began to creep into mans genes and get passed along.

Other interesting points is that just after the fllood the life spans of humans were just about cut in half. Perhaps this occured because our atmosphere had changed allowing more radiation to enter into the words eco-systems shortening our life spans.

There is a lot to say on this topic, but it appears you're on the right track. De-Evolution is occuring.
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There are a number of reasons to doubt long lifespans, one of which is that teeth don't last that long.
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Pacigoth13, deevolution, or even entropy seem to be a result of the fall of man.

Romans 8: 19-22 talks a little bit about it.

Yes it is also possible to believe that man had lived these long lives. In fact the Theo-Evos will present no real reason to disagree with the long life spans other than a mocking remark.

When you thin about it Adam and Eve were created in pretty good shape by God. No cancers, no diseases, not deformities to be passed along to their kids.

As time went on after the fall of mankind in the garden these life shortning elements began to creep into mans genes and get passed along.

Other interesting points is that just after the fllood the life spans of humans were just about cut in half. Perhaps this occured because our atmosphere had changed allowing more radiation to enter into the words eco-systems shortening our life spans.

There is a lot to say on this topic, but it appears you're on the right track. De-Evolution is occuring.
You do realize that it is biologically impossible to live that long, right? Cells from key body parts stop reproducing and you wear out. Ever hear of apoptosis?
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Originally Posted by seebs
There are a number of reasons to doubt long lifespans, one of which is that teeth don't last that long.
That would depend upon what you ate.
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Originally Posted by Bushido216
You do realize that it is biologically impossible to live that long, right? Cells from key body parts stop reproducing and you wear out. Ever hear of apoptosis?
Ever think to ask the question as to why they stop reproducing?
What changed?
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