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26th July 2009, 04:03 PM
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Reps: 908,229,472,341,134,848 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by dkbwarrior  This is an excellent post. I will need to read it several times to get it all. I have printed it out for further study. Thank you for taking the time and effort to post it.
Peace...
Thank you for all that you do here on the forums---as you alongside others are an answered prayer. Saw all of the discussions on the debate forums, paticularly with others sand how it seemed many were taking alot of grief/misrepresentations placed upon yourselves as well as what occurs in WOF---and yet the ways in which you all responded on the issues was truly inspiring. To be able to network with you all is indeed a privelage.
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26th July 2009, 04:33 PM
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Reps: 400,107,677,814 (power: 400,107,685) | | Originally Posted by Allen1901 I don't believe that Adam was created on a equal status with God, as I've heard some WOF teachers say. I'm not 100 % convinced that Jesus spent 3 days in Hell either. Other than that I'm pretty much in agreement with You guys.
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Hello Allen,
There are those who get over into the ditch and believe that they are God. Give me a break! Are they Omnipotent? Omnipresent or Omniscient? What planets have they created? Are they the beginning and the end? and whose God are they? Not mine.
No matter how much we are created like God, we still remain the creation and He the Creator. What authority or power we have is derived solely from Him and His presence. Without Him we are nothing.
As far as status goes, we have the status of Sons of God, not the status of God. We have the status of "gods", not "God".
1 John 3:1 KJV
(1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God:
When Jesus said "ye are gods" He meant nothing more than rulers or lords of the Earth. We will never be, nor are we created to be God in the same sense that He alone can be God.
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27th July 2009, 07:55 AM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,790) | | Originally Posted by PastorJoey Hello Allen,
There are those who get over into the ditch and believe that they are God. Give me a break! Are they Omnipotent? Omnipresent or Omniscient? What planets have they created? Are they the beginning and the end? and whose God are they? Not mine.
No matter how much we are created like God, we still remain the creation and He the Creator. What authority or power we have is derived solely from Him and His presence. Without Him we are nothing.
As far as status goes, we have the status of Sons of God, not the status of God. We have the status of "gods", not "God".
1 John 3:1 KJV
(1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God:
When Jesus said "ye are gods" He meant nothing more than rulers or lords of the Earth. We will never be, nor are we created to be God in the same sense that He alone can be God.
Thank You for the clarification, Joey!
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27th July 2009, 09:19 PM
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Reps: 400,107,677,814 (power: 400,107,685) | | Originally Posted by Allen1901 Thank You for the clarification, Joey!
God Bless!
No problem, glad I could be a help. As for the question about whether or not Jesus spent three days in hell, there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus did "descend into the lower parts of the earth" (and not just the upper regions as some suggest).
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27th July 2009, 09:27 PM
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Reps: 400,107,677,814 (power: 400,107,685) | | Originally Posted by Allen1901 I think it's the "equal with God" part I'm having trouble with.
In my mind, there has to be some distinction between the state
of Adam as a pre-sin being, and a born again man after the propitiatory sacrifice of Jesus, for our sins. By faith, we are greater than Adam, because Jesus was(is) greater than Adam.
God Bless!
Great post Allen...2 Cor. 5:17 says those who are in Christ are "new creations". A new creation is a new species of being having never before existed. this would suggest that the new creation is created on a higher order than Adam was created in the garden before the fall, otherwise we could not be called a new creation.
2 Corinthians 5:17 AMP
(17) Therefore if any person is in Christ he is a new creation (a new creature altogether)...
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28th July 2009, 03:21 AM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,790) | | Originally Posted by PastorJoey Great post Allen...2 Cor. 5:17 says those who are in Christ are "new creations". A new creation is a new species of being having never before existed. this would suggest that the new creation is created on a higher order than Adam was created in the garden before the fall, otherwise we could not be called a new creation.
2 Corinthians 5:17 AMP
(17) Therefore if any person is in Christ he is a new creation (a new creature altogether)...
Thank You Joey!
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14th August 2009, 09:56 AM
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Reps: 5,699,648,600 (power: 0) | | | When I first started getting into the Word of Faith a lot of people who are Christians tried to put me off. They said things like, "It's that prosperity gospel - all they care about is money!". Or they tried to make claims about men of God like Kenneth Copeland and accuse them of ripping people off.
But I knew there was something in this Word thing, and so I prayed and prayed over it, and God led me here.
Sadly, some people (including many Christians) are so tempered by the world that they spend very little time in the Word, and don't understand people who do study and live the Word. |
14th August 2009, 07:19 PM
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Reps: 59,298,758,133,519,840 (power: 59,298,758,133,525) | | Originally Posted by Faith In Him When I first started getting into the Word of Faith a lot of people who are Christians tried to put me off. They said things like, "It's that prosperity gospel - all they care about is money!". Or they tried to make claims about men of God like Kenneth Copeland and accuse them of ripping people off.
But I knew there was something in this Word thing, and so I prayed and prayed over it, and God led me here.
Sadly, some people (including many Christians) are so tempered by the world that they spend very little time in the Word, and don't understand people who do study and live the Word.
Wow. Well, Amen to that!
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15th August 2009, 04:29 AM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,790) | | Originally Posted by Faith In Him When I first started getting into the Word of Faith a lot of people who are Christians tried to put me off. They said things like, "It's that prosperity gospel - all they care about is money!". Or they tried to make claims about men of God like Kenneth Copeland and accuse them of ripping people off.
But I knew there was something in this Word thing, and so I prayed and prayed over it, and God led me here.
Sadly, some people (including many Christians) are so tempered by the world that they spend very little time in the Word, and don't understand people who do study and live the Word.
God Bless You Faith In Him!
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15th August 2009, 04:32 AM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,790) | | Originally Posted by Supplanter Wow. Well, Amen to that!
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