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20th July 2009, 04:33 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,790) | | Originally Posted by Optimax  Man is not "equal" to God. However being made in God's image and likeness man is second to God in creation.
Right,that's what I believe. The WOF teaching I had heard was different.
It basically stated that God cloned Himself when He made Adam, and since God couldn't make anything less than perfect, Adam was perfect and equal with God. God gave Adam dominion over the earth, and Adam
relinquished dominion to Satan when He ate from the tree of the "knowledge of good and evil".
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20th July 2009, 05:41 PM
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Reps: 1,155,566,683,066,629,888 (power: 1,155,566,683,066,644) | | Originally Posted by Allen1901 Right,that's what I believe. The WOF teaching I had heard was different.
It basically stated that God cloned Himself when He made Adam, and since God couldn't make anything less than perfect, Adam was perfect and equal with God. God gave Adam dominion over the earth, and Adam
relinquished dominion to Satan when He ate from the tree of the "knowledge of good and evil".
God Bless!
I agree with this.
Adam was perfect. God gave Adam dominion over the earth, and Adam
relinquished dominion to Satan when He ate from the tree of the "knowledge of good and evil". |
21st July 2009, 10:33 AM
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Reps: 176,363,191,217,860,448 (power: 176,363,191,217,869) | | | Hmmm, would like to follow up opn that guys, but dont want to derail the thread.
As far as arguments against WOF, in general, there are none that satisfy me. Some of the peripheral things like JDS and little gods are simply misunderstandings from some combination of overzealous preachers stating things in hyperbolic form, overemphasizing for effect; and/or the misinterpretation of those words by one with a predisposed bias against WOF. But JDS and little gods dont define WOF anyway, not all WOF subscribe to them.
The common denominator that ties all WOF together is our definition of faith. We believe that faith, like love, is an attribute of the Father. He spoke, and believed that what He spoke would come to pass. In this way the worlds were framed by the Word of God.
We also believe that faith is believing what is spoken will come to pass. Specifically, what God has spoken in the form of promise, when believed by us, will come to pass in our lives.
The argument against this seems to be that God will decide on a case by case basis who recieves what promises, even to the point of salvation itself being chosen by God, when this argument is followed to its full conclusion. And that faith is not believing in the specific Words of God, but rather trusting that He is in control of everything, and all circumstances are arranged by God to our betterment.
I cannot accept this argument, as it makes God directly responsible for every foul act of death and destruction that has ever or will ever occur on this planet. It makes satan out to be the tool of the Father, rather than a rebellious spirit; and sickness, disease, rape, torture, and every form of perversion and degradation the expressed will of the Father.
WOF on the other hand, believes that he that had the power of death is the devil, and Jesus came that we might have life, and have it more abundantly. It takes active faith on the part of mankind to recieve this life, because authority to act in this earth was given soley to Adam by God. Every act of evil and death that occurs is a result of the fall of Adam, orchestrated and manipulated by satan and his host of fallen cohorts, not a grand strategy in the ever evolving plan of God.
Sorry, got to rambling....
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21st July 2009, 11:57 AM
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Reps: 198,629,305,444,560,160 (power: 198,629,305,444,574) | | Originally Posted by dkbwarrior Hmmm, would like to follow up opn that guys, but dont want to derail the thread.
As far as arguments against WOF, in general, there are none that satisfy me. Some of the peripheral things like JDS and little gods are simply misunderstandings from some combination of overzealous preachers stating things in hyperbolic form, overemphasizing for effect; and/or the misinterpretation of those words by one with a predisposed bias against WOF. But JDS and little gods dont define WOF anyway, not all WOF subscribe to them.
The common denominator that ties all WOF together is our definition of faith. We believe that faith, like love, is an attribute of the Father. He spoke, and believed that what He spoke would come to pass. In this way the worlds were framed by the Word of God.
We also believe that faith is believing what is spoken will come to pass. Specifically, what God has spoken in the form of promise, when believed by us, will come to pass in our lives.
The argument against this seems to be that God will decide on a case by case basis who recieves what promises, even to the point of salvation itself being chosen by God, when this argument is followed to its full conclusion. And that faith is not believing in the specific Words of God, but rather trusting that He is in control of everything, and all circumstances are arranged by God to our betterment.
I cannot accept this argument, as it makes God directly responsible for every foul act of death and destruction that has ever or will ever occur on this planet. It makes satan out to be the tool of the Father, rather than a rebellious spirit; and sickness, disease, rape, torture, and every form of perversion and degradation the expressed will of the Father.
WOF on the other hand, believes that he that had the power of death is the devil, and Jesus came that we might have life, and have it more abundantly. It takes active faith on the part of mankind to recieve this life, because authority to act in this earth was given soley to Adam by God. Every act of evil and death that occurs is a result of the fall of Adam, orchestrated and manipulated by satan and his host of fallen cohorts, not a grand strategy in the ever evolving plan of God.
Sorry, got to rambling....
Peace... 
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21st July 2009, 12:40 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,790) | | Originally Posted by Optimax I agree with this.
Adam was perfect. God gave Adam dominion over the earth, and Adam
relinquished dominion to Satan when He ate from the tree of the "knowledge of good and evil".
I think it's the "equal with God" part I'm having trouble with.
In my mind, there has to be some distinction between the state
of Adam as a pre-sin being, and a born again man after the propitiatory sacrifice of Jesus, for our sins. By faith, we are greater than Adam, because Jesus was(is) greater than Adam.
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21st July 2009, 01:51 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | dkswarrior, can you clarify something below? You said We believe that faith, like love, is an attribute of the Father. He spoke, and believed that what He spoke would come to pass.
You are saying that God "believed" what He spoke would come to pass and therefore His words held power?
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21st July 2009, 02:03 PM
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21st July 2009, 02:15 PM
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Reps: 1,155,566,683,066,629,888 (power: 1,155,566,683,066,644) | | Originally Posted by PeteKay Adam was not perfect, Adam was innocent. If Adam was perfect, he never would have sinned, would never have lusted after what Satan put in front of him. Only Jesus has ever been perfect, only Jesus never lusted after "forbidden fruit". We will someday obtain that perfection.
This scripture says that Lucifer(the devil) was perfect.
Ezek 28:15
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
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21st July 2009, 02:26 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | "Perfect" doesn't mean sinless. I think that's what people mean when they say Adam was perfect. |
21st July 2009, 02:54 PM
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Being as you're new, you probably don't realize that you are in violation of the rules at this moment. You are currently in the WoF forum, which means that you may ask questions and fellowship, but you may not actively debate WoF as you are currently doing.
There are plenty of places on CF where you are welcome to debate WoF beliefs, but this forum is not one of them.
Because I don't want to see you reported, I would suggest you edit your posts in this forum to conform to those rules.
Thanks, and welcome to CF! 
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