Well, there was John Lennon, George Harrison, Curtis Mayfield, Bob Dylan and a few others from mainly the 60s and 70s.
Hi Dharma, It is true that every human has its own language to express what he/she is not aware of to walk a path that it meant to be his/her to deliver a certain message to humanity. But people made their own programmes to follow like robots without thinking deeply about what's going around them. That's when the brain, heart and soul takes its part to act in harmony with the universe as long as muscles don't obey the pure natural signals the brain sends to us. And that's when we notice the harmoney and greatness when we study any of these great arts. And you made a great point which is the importance of the era from 60's and 70's till now. I mean the great names in art/music/writing..etc. Being famous is not a matter of luck but it is also a matter of having a message for all the people to know.
here i thought music was math.. i mean what with the ratios and scales and all....
eh.. i've frequently had this conversation and the fact of the matter is that the Muslim world is not united on this point. some groups ban all music, some permit only the daff and others permit it all, it really just depends on the political message that they are sending.
i have some extremely rare recordings of Berber music (one of the conquered peoples in North Africa) and Berbers to this day still have a musical tradition though not as vibrant as it once was when they were a free people.
in terms of historical trajectories Islam is about 800 years behind Christianity which is rather ironic considering how those situations were reversed less than 600 years ago. we'll witness, in this lifetime, the Islamic Reformation... hopefully that process will not escalate into unremitting violence amongst Muslim sects but only time will tell.
metta,
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I'm sorry you called me a Fundamentalist because I said Music is haram?
And btw you're wrong it's forbidden and every Muslim knows itunless if he’s one of these new strange sects like the Koranists(who also say alcohol is halal)
Where does this command exist? That all music is haram?
The Hadith are not required to show that alcohol is forbidden. The Qur'an suffices.
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Even a good friend and colleague of mine who is very conservative in his beliefs agrees some music is halal. I enjoy discussing topics with him, because he speaks kindly even on subjects we may not agree upon. In the end he knows we see eye to eye on what is important.
There is no doubt plenty of tasteless and obscene music out there, but there is also some insightful music that can benefit one's spirit. It is like anything else in life. Some good, some bad. Some helpful, some harmful.
We are not about to prohibit eating just because poison exists. Why then prohibit all music because of some of it being bad. I have a hard time following the argument against all music.
Why stop with music? Let's ban reading too. There are some tasteless and obscene texts.
Good thread btw dnihila.
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