People in Disguise

Wicked Willow · #11 7th July 2009, 04:10 AM

Originally Posted by dewaddict84

I'd concur that music, and any facet of culture, is the sort of thing that is arguable the whole point of humanity. Sure, it's all a drain on resources, and won't feed anyone or provide them shelter, but without it the food and shelter aren't really worth much now are they?

Music, art, architecture, stories, plays, poems, games, sports, festivals, celebrations... they're all forms of culture.

Whoa whoa whoa formy. What is Haram, does it apply to ALL music, and who specifically believes in this?

As pretty much every muslim country in the world has its own music, I highly doubt that the vast majority of muslims is as extremist as formy in this regard.
And yes, people who seek to wipe out culture are combating one of the most sparkling hallmarks of humanity. To me, one of the few redeeming features of organized religion is its patronage of the arts: cathedrals, mosques, music, murals, paintings, poetry, literature in general.

The darkest hours in history saw religious extremists destroying monuments of the creative spirit.

dnihila · #12 13th July 2009, 08:17 AM

Peace everyone,
I just want to ask formy about the meaning of "Prophet David's Songs" which are called " Mazameer Dawoud " why in particular they are called " Mazameer" which means flutes in English?
Just post a hadieth said by prophet Muhammed ( peace be upon him) says that songs are forbidden.
Don't birds sing to praise the Almighty?
Just look at the creations of Allah how colorful and many they are.And He is not asked to make them in that huge variety to please our eyes to praise Him. He can make the Earth as dry as the desert and ask us to worship him under the hot sunlight, can't He do that?
But He loves us so much to make us live this long life with patience and soul comfort away from Him and His Heaven.
A song that has words to praise the Almighty and talks about His secrets in the world is not forbidden.
A song that tells us how to solve the mystery of life through its disguised words is not forbidden. If you love to give your dry dull worship to the Almighty instead of making it as colorful and various as what He created to us. We are the ones who are asked to please Him but not the opposite.
Just watching Free Willy and its famous song " Will you be there " reminds me of the story of prophet Yunus ( peace be upon him) who was swallowed by the whale . But people who made their worship to the Almighty like an obligatory duty are the ones who can't see that the love of the Almighty is everywhere and in everything. Just notice that the majority of Michael Jackson's songs are like prayers to the Almighty and it shows from his moves. If people just take a minute to meditate the Greatness of the Almighty they will discover wonders that exists around them everyday but they are too busy and too lifeless to see things through their hearts and brains.
Prophet Jonah (Yunus)
The Prophet Jonah - The Kingdom of Israel

THE BOOK OF THE PROPHET JONAH

"Will You Be There"

Hold Me
Like The River Jordan
And I Will Then Say To Thee
You Are My Friend

Carry Me
Like You Are My Brother
Love Me Like A Mother
Will You Be There?

Weary
Tell Me Will You Hold Me
When Wrong, Will You Skold Me
When Lost Will You Find Me?

But They Told Me
A Man Should Be Faithful
And Walk When Not Able
And Fight Till The End
But I'm Only Human

Everyone's Taking Control Of Me
Seems That The World's
Got A Role For Me
I'm So Confused
Will You Show To Me
You'll Be There For Me
And Care Enough To Bear Me

(Hold Me)
(Lay Your Head Lowly)
(Softly Then Boldly)
(Carry Me There)

(Lead Me)
(Love Me And Feed Me)
(Kiss Me And Free Me)
(I Will Feel Blessed)

(Carry)
(Carry Me Boldly)
(Lift Me Up Slowly)
(Carry Me There)

(Save Me)
(Heal Me And Bathe Me)
(Softly You Say To Me)
(I Will Be There)

(Lift Me)
(Lift Me Up Slowly)
(Carry Me Boldly)
(Show Me You Care)

(Hold Me)
(Lay Your Head Lowly)
(Softly Then Boldly)
(Carry Me There)

(Need Me)
(Love Me And Feed Me)
(Kiss Me And Free Me)
(I Will Feel Blessed)

[Spoken]
In Our Darkest Hour
In My Deepest Despair
Will You Still Care?
Will You Be There?
In My Trials
And My Tripulations
Through Our Doubts
And Frustrations
In My Violence
In My Turbulence
Through My Fear
And My Confessions
In My Anguish And My Pain
Through My Joy And My Sorrow
In The Promise Of Another Tomorrow
I'll Never Let You Part
For You're Always In My Heart.

Dharma Wheel · #13 13th July 2009, 12:24 PM

Great post dnihila. And music is a great medium for the message of human unity and love. And anyone sect or religion which wishes to destroy it is a dark and dreary religion.

Nooj · #14 13th July 2009, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by formy

Did you know music is Haram?

That's too bad. For you.

*hums Billie Jean*

DarkCoffeeJazz · #15 13th July 2009, 12:47 PM

Music is a window to the soul. A form of the highest expression of our humanity. Our fears, love, hate, hopes, dreams, defeats.

Why anyone would call it "Haram", which I assume is something equivalent to "evil", I do not know.
Any culture in history has had it's own music, in some form or other. At least that's what I assume. Correct me if I'm wrong. But do so with evidence.

Nooj · #16 13th July 2009, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by DarkCoffeeJazz

Why anyone would call it "Haram", which I assume is something equivalent to "evil", I do not know.

Haram = not allowed. Forbidden by God.

Originally Posted by DarkCoffeeJazz

Any culture in history has had it's own music, in some form or other. At least that's what I assume. Correct me if I'm wrong. But do so with evidence.

No, you're right. Islamic cultures have had music, despite the religious opinions that were against it. As far as I can tell, most traditional Muslim commentators ruled that musical instruments were haram, except the daff (a sort of Arab tambourine):

2) Lawful, like the playing of the tambourine (daff) at weddings and other happy occasions” (Ibn Humam, Fath al-Qadir, 6/36).

I think male singing is allowed as well.

But a lot (most?) Muslims don't follow these rulings.

DarkCoffeeJazz · #17 13th July 2009, 01:57 PM

It's kind of like how Mormons aren't supposed to have caffeine, yet all the Mormons I know drink soda or coffee.

I couldn't live without coffee, personally. XD

Also I tend to consider "forbidden by God" as a synonym for evil, whether or not that is a flawed notion or not I do not know. But it is the impression I receive, perhaps from my being brought up xtian for some 20 years.

However, thank you for educating me on the exact defintion, Nooj. I appreciate it.

dewaddict84 · #18 13th July 2009, 03:59 PM

It's kind of like how Mormons aren't supposed to have caffeine, yet all the Mormons I know drink soda or coffee.
I couldn't live without coffee, personally. XD

Eh, to each their own poison.

dnihila · #19 13th July 2009, 05:51 PM

Peace,
Thanks alot everyone.
The point is to see what brain and heart do when they act in harmony.
I found out that Michael Jackson was sending signals like whales in the way he dances. He was one of the few if not the only singer who adobted the world's problems by songs.
And if you look at his gestures and moves on stage, you will notice that he was calling people to be one and he gathered the signs of every Holy religion and showed them in his dancing moves.
To be continued

Dharma Wheel · #20 14th July 2009, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by dnihila

Peace,
He was one of the few if not the only singer who adobted the world's problems by songs.

Well, there was John Lennon, George Harrison, Curtis Mayfield, Bob Dylan and a few others from mainly the 60s and 70s.