If Christ has redeemed us.

If Christ has redeemed us why do men put out that it is works that redeems them and tell us there is no assurance in Christ? Can our works really take away the work of Christ on the cross to all those whom believe?

__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

O Jehovah, our Lord, how majestic is Your name in all the earth; You have set Your glory above the heavens!
Psa 8:2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings, You have ordained strength, because of the ones distressing You, to cause the enemy and the avenger to cease.
Psa 8:3 When I look upon Your heavens, the work of Your fingers: the moon and the stars which You have fixed;
Psa 8:4 what is man that You are mindful of him, and the son of man, that You visit him?
Psa 8:5 For You have made him lack a little from God; and have crowned him with glory and honor.
Psa 8:6 You made him rule over the works of Your hands; You have put all under his feet:
Psa 8:7 all flocks and oxen, and also the animals of the field,
Psa 8:8 the birds of the heavens, and the fish of the sea, all that pass through the sea.
Psa 8:9 O Jehovah, our Lord, how majestic is Your name in all the earth!

Because sister, men want to keep believing that they played some role in bringing about their own salvation.

Whether it is though good works, or that they co-operated with God in their salvation.

They want to insist that they played some part in their own salvation.

God Bless

Till all are one.

__________________
"Cursed be the day wherein I was born: let not the day wherein my mother bare me be blessed. Cursed be the man who brought tidings to my father, saying, A man child is born unto thee; making him very glad...Because he slew me not from the womb; or that my mother might have been my grave, and her womb to be always great with me." -Jer. 20: 14-15, 17 (KJV)

Yes and also with that what did Christ leave undone when He redeemed us?

__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

O Jehovah, our Lord, how majestic is Your name in all the earth; You have set Your glory above the heavens!
Psa 8:2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings, You have ordained strength, because of the ones distressing You, to cause the enemy and the avenger to cease.
Psa 8:3 When I look upon Your heavens, the work of Your fingers: the moon and the stars which You have fixed;
Psa 8:4 what is man that You are mindful of him, and the son of man, that You visit him?
Psa 8:5 For You have made him lack a little from God; and have crowned him with glory and honor.
Psa 8:6 You made him rule over the works of Your hands; You have put all under his feet:
Psa 8:7 all flocks and oxen, and also the animals of the field,
Psa 8:8 the birds of the heavens, and the fish of the sea, all that pass through the sea.
Psa 8:9 O Jehovah, our Lord, how majestic is Your name in all the earth!

Nothing!

Christ said on the cross: "It is finished".

All that the Father gave Him to do, was done, fulfilling of the Law, a propitation for sins, reconciliation, it all was done, nothing was left undone.

There was nothing left for man to do.

God Bless

Till all are one.

__________________
"Cursed be the day wherein I was born: let not the day wherein my mother bare me be blessed. Cursed be the man who brought tidings to my father, saying, A man child is born unto thee; making him very glad...Because he slew me not from the womb; or that my mother might have been my grave, and her womb to be always great with me." -Jer. 20: 14-15, 17 (KJV)

__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

O Jehovah, our Lord, how majestic is Your name in all the earth; You have set Your glory above the heavens!
Psa 8:2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings, You have ordained strength, because of the ones distressing You, to cause the enemy and the avenger to cease.
Psa 8:3 When I look upon Your heavens, the work of Your fingers: the moon and the stars which You have fixed;
Psa 8:4 what is man that You are mindful of him, and the son of man, that You visit him?
Psa 8:5 For You have made him lack a little from God; and have crowned him with glory and honor.
Psa 8:6 You made him rule over the works of Your hands; You have put all under his feet:
Psa 8:7 all flocks and oxen, and also the animals of the field,
Psa 8:8 the birds of the heavens, and the fish of the sea, all that pass through the sea.
Psa 8:9 O Jehovah, our Lord, how majestic is Your name in all the earth!

Or perhaps other men and women have a different perspective on this issue. The problem lies in that redemption does not only means to have your sins forgiven, but a restored human nature. (At least for us, Westerners) But then we have another problem: that we keep sinning.

And then we also need to explain, why the apostles recommended us to keep up the good race, or work for our salvation with fear and trembling.

Because we arent justified by faith alone.

"You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only." James 2:24


"Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’
41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’
44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

So are you saying that since you're redeemed you can do anything and it won't affect this? You can't be un-redeemed? You've a licence to go kill people then!



Faith without works is dead

__________________
Will you be my Valentine?

Fàilte dhut a Mhoire, tha thu lan de na gràsan;
Tha an Tighearna maille riut.

Hail Mary, full of Grace;
The Lord is with thee

Originally Posted by MamaZ

If Christ has redeemed us why do men put out that it is works that redeems them and tell us there is no assurance in Christ? Can our works really take away the work of Christ on the cross to all those whom believe?

I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that it's a misunderstanding of the Gospel based upon ideas carried over from pre-Christian times when God was seen primarily as a purely self-centered being who demanded goods and flattery from his creatures or else he would delight in hurting them as one might do with a slave.

Originally Posted by Montalban

So are you saying that since you're redeemed you can do anything and it won't affect this? You can't be un-redeemed? You've a licence to go kill people then!

This is SUCH a bad mischaracterization of the concept before us. If one is saved, if one is among the elect, he will not behave as though he were not. It would be impossible! The one makes the other a necessary and predictable consequence of it.

Faith without works is dead

Right. We often quote that verse. By it James says exactly what I was explaining above. If there are no works, you can't have the faith that saves. It cannot be otherwise. It's like saying that one is a vegetarian but eats hot dogs daily. Is this possible? Is it an option? Not any more than you can have faith and not produce works.