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If God is so great why evil?
If God allows evil then why is he great?
If God did not make Evil then who was able to create something God did not? |
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Faith,then,is a comprehensive knowledge, so to speak, of the essentials; but knowledge is the strong and firm proof of what is accepted through faith, and which leads to infallibility and understanding and to sudden comprehension. And it seems to me that first saving change from paganism to faith, as I said before; and the second is that from faith to knowledge. This latter develops into love, and afterwards presents the one loving to Him that is loved, and the one knowing to Him that is known. And, such a one, perhaps, has already attained the condition of being like to an angel. ~ St. Clement of Alexandria |
4th July 2009, 01:52 PM
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Also, evil is not a thing but misuse of the gift of free will - something that only angels and humans were given, btw. |
4th July 2009, 02:31 PM
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Reps: 19,219,829,583,441,100 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by icxn  Who is greater a father who beats his child down every time he makes a mistake or one who is forgiving and waits for his repentance?
Also, evil is not a thing but misuse of the gift of free will - something that only angels and humans were given, btw.
But would a Father let his child walk off of a cliff into a lake of fire to be burnt to death? |
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Or in another forum and throw in the KJV translation of Is 45:7, " I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." |
4th July 2009, 04:13 PM
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4th July 2009, 04:28 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,836) | | Originally Posted by JacksLadder But would a Father let his child walk off of a cliff into a lake of fire to be burnt to death?
A father cannot prevent such things all the time.
If a child wants to walk of a cliff, then he will do so in spite of the father's pleading and preventative measures.
We are given the gift of free will and the freedom that entails, but freedom is a responsibility.
God does give us the grace to avoid sin and harm, but many times we are not aware of His Presence. I cannot tell you how many times I have felt an intuitive nudge to look to my left or right or my rear view mirror when driving only to find that I had to take evasive action immediately. I honestly feel that those insights are from the Holy Spirit because I also felt a peace and calm descend upon me.
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Sorry...I'm upset because alot of people are ignorant of the fact that evil is a relationship and that it can't be created.
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2 Corinthians 5:7 "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
Things aren't always what they seem. It depends on the person who is viewing them.
Jeremiah 17:13 ".....the Lord, the fountain of living water." |
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Reps: 10,272,014,952,591,600 (power: 10,272,014,952,601) | | Originally Posted by JacksLadder But would a Father let his child walk off of a cliff into a lake of fire to be burnt to death?
What death? Christ put "him" to death  . Next objection...
As for the guy who quoted the OT. The evil spoken of in that context refers to natural disasters and the like, i.e. evils from a human perspective albeit not from a divine point of view. Sin is the only evil in as much as it separates one from God and internal life. Btw, to suffer evil in the former sense is not evil since it is the source of rewards (see Job). To inflict evil of course is evil.
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How the Orthodox interpret scripture: "Certain brethren came and asked Abba Anthony a question about the Book of the Levites, and the old man went forth to the desert, and Abba Ammon, who knew his habit, followed him secretly. And when the old man had gone some distance, he cried out with a loud voice, and said. "O God, send Moses unto me, and let him teach me [the meaning of] this verse;" and straightway a voice was heard holding converse with him. Now Abba Ammon heard this voice, and said, "I heard the voice which spake with him, but the force of the verse I never learned." – The Paradise of the Holy Fathers
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Reps: 19,219,829,583,441,100 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by icxn What death? Christ put "him" to death . Next objection...
As for the guy who quoted the OT. The evil spoken of in that context refers to natural disasters and the like, i.e. evils from a human perspective albeit not from a divine point of view. Sin is the only evil in as much as it separates one from God and internal life. Btw, to suffer evil in the former sense is not evil since it is the source of rewards (see Job). To inflict evil of course is evil.
I mean the like of fire for all eternity death. That one is done by God himself. | | |
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