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3rd July 2009, 05:57 AM
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Reps: 21,328,029,639,194 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by wiselife  I think the Church's attitude about vocations have changed. Before, if you wanted to be a priest/nun it was assumed that you had a vocation. Today, it's like you have to show evidence you have one.
Another thing is society. How many parents today want their children to be priests or nuns?
Then it's wealth. In many Catholic countries a minor Seminary (who admitted 9 y/o boy) was a better alternative than an orphanage. It was free education of the best quality. Most of these did not become priests, of course, because a Seminary education in places where most people did not have a HS diploma, and the work ethics it gave you, meant business owner would hire in the spot. However even some of these boys ended up being priests. This I know from talking to older priests.
Very few people know what priests and nuns and other consecrated persons are and do, just the TV/Hollywood version of it.
Those are very good observations |
3rd July 2009, 08:59 AM
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Reps: 604,418,086,506,083,840 (power: 604,418,086,506,099) | | Originally Posted by DD2008 "Nuns were the often-unsung workers who helped build the Roman Catholic Church in this country, planting schools and hospitals and keeping parishes humming. But for the last three decades, their numbers have been declining — to 60,000 today from 180,000 in 1965."
Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/02/us...s.html?_r=1&hp
This shouldn't be a point of concern . Catholics say that it is a calling . If the Lord isn't calling as many today , He has a good reason . |
3rd July 2009, 09:38 AM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,878) | | Originally Posted by wiselife *snip*
Very few people know what priests and nuns and other consecrated persons are and do, just the TV/Hollywood version of it. This TV series was pretty popular back in my days 
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4th July 2009, 08:34 PM
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5th July 2009, 11:55 PM
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1) the number of nuns currently in service
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2) a petty swipe at Catholics, trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.
lets hope it's #1 we're discussing.
besides which, I read the article.... I'd think that if you sign up to play hockey, you should wear the uniform of the team that signs you. If you don't like it... don't sign up. (don't take it from that statement that it's all about the nuns wearing a habit, it has more to do with the attitude of the few nuns listed in the article, than it does to do with clothing choice.)
I've never understood the "we'll sign up to work for you, but complain bitterly about how you want us to do it."
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6th July 2009, 12:31 AM
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Reps: 218,926,734,315,533,600 (power: 218,926,734,315,539) | | Originally Posted by MrPolo Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
This is ironic 
I think you might want to re-read my post and what was quoted |
6th July 2009, 03:00 AM
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Well, when one takes the Eucharist (yes, Christ is in the Eucharist for all the critics) out of the Liturgy, one can't help but wonder how long a Eucharist-less Christianity will last without being absorbed into the world and becoming nothing more than a political affiliation.
The 'foundations of Christianity' are not destroyed. What is the foundation of Christianity? Christ. So long as there is still a belief that Christ has two natures and two will (divine and human on both accounts) united within one body, than Christianity still exists no matter how large a crowd may believe it. So long as some bit of Christianity is still Christianity and still has Christ within it, than Christianity has nothing to fear.
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6th July 2009, 11:54 AM
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6th July 2009, 05:14 PM
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Reps: 604,418,086,506,083,840 (power: 604,418,086,506,099) | | Originally Posted by aisy_Day There are a lot more career choices for women than there used to be. More than a few nuns were pressured into service by their families who preferred a nun in the family to yet another spinster charity-case aunt. Sons were given educations while daughters were given dowries (or large weddings).
Most excellent points . |
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Reps: 6,641,677,318,497 (power: 6,641,677,321) | | Originally Posted by aisy_Day There are a lot more career choices for women than there used to be. More than a few nuns were pressured into service by their families who preferred a nun in the family to yet another spinster charity-case aunt. Sons were given educations while daughters were given dowries (or large weddings).
Actually, not every monastery accepted poor candidates. I remember that St. Faustina had a tough time trying to be admitted because of poverty | | |
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