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Certainly. Any particular hypothesis regarding earthly abiogenesis would be utterly shaken by the discovery of extraterrestrial eukaryotes.
Why? Where not other worlds part of the universe?
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I suppose you will only cite the effects of 'The Fall', but nature provides some pretty horrific examples of creation in the form of parasites, prey animals eaten alive by predators, natural poisons which cause the eater to die in agony, and so on.
I've always thought it far easier to consider the possibility of a benevolent God if you admit to evolution being the method of creation. Lets the deity off the hook for a lot of dismal realities.
Why would I cite the fall when discussing animal behavior? The fall technically only affected man not animals.
BTW- the discussion that I am having relates to the topic of this thread which is creation. Evolution does not address origins.
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Why would I cite the fall when discussing animal behavior? The fall technically only affected man not animals.
BTW- the discussion that I am having relates to the topic of this thread which is creation. Evolution does not address origins.
This is what is so confusing about trying to find out what Christians are talking about! I have been told, and read here any number of times that "the fall" is what kicked the 2nd law of thermodynamics, the lions started eating the lambs, etc. Now it didnt affect the animals at all? Sheesh.
I guess I dont l\know what you mean by creation or creationism. There are so many schools of thought, so ..... can you explain what you mean?
And what would be an example of evidence for a creator?
Well, I believe that the casualty argument does posit a cause and the cause must be uncaused. My "leap" of faith is to believe that the Christian God is that uncaused cause. I also believe that the intricate and complicated nature of organisms rule out a chance event as the original cause.
__________________ If two friends ask you to judge a dispute, don't accept, because you will lose one friend; on the other hand, if two strangers come with the same request, accept because you will gain one friend. Augustine
This is what is so confusing about trying to find out what Christians are talking about! I have been told, and read here any number of times that "the fall" is what kicked the 2nd law of thermodynamics, the lions started eating the lambs, etc. Now it didnt affect the animals at all? Sheesh.
Not beyond curious how you ever came to that conclusion.
Just because from our conversation I see that you view evidence as repeatable which negates evidence that is not. If I am wrong here please correct me.
__________________ If two friends ask you to judge a dispute, don't accept, because you will lose one friend; on the other hand, if two strangers come with the same request, accept because you will gain one friend. Augustine
This is what is so confusing about trying to find out what Christians are talking about! I have been told, and read here any number of times that "the fall" is what kicked the 2nd law of thermodynamics, the lions started eating the lambs, etc. Now it didnt affect the animals at all? Sheesh.
Exactly. The problem is that there are so many different shades of belief among Christians that pinning a group of creationists down is like bailing a boatload of half-set jello. They all settle on different degrees of belief in what we see as natural. There's no telling, until you've talked with them a long time, where their beliefs will diverge from your own naturalism into a refusal to accept that God could possibly have done whatever-it-is that way.
Well, I believe that the casualty argument does posit a cause and the cause must be uncaused. My "leap" of faith is to believe that the Christian God is that uncaused cause. I also believe that the intricate and complicated nature of organisms rule out a chance event as the original cause.
Too may causes, original causes and uncaused causes for me, sorry. That makes no sense to me.
As for "chance" would you think that the intricate pattern of a watershed, all mathematical and highly structured, is that a chance event? Likewise many another highly ordered but non living thing?
To me the are the logical, inevitable consequence of energy matter and the laws that govern them.
And cause wise, we have the problem of what caused god and caused him to know how to do all this stuff. But thats going too far for this thread.
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