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You guys are the ones having trouble with it --- not I.
So is the whole Bible meant to be read literally from cover to cover? Will a giant seven headed beast really come out of the ocean?
You're the ones who think the Salem Witch Trials were done with the Bible's permission/insistance
No, but they used their literal interpretation without considering cultural and historical differences and probably little knowledge of the Hebrew language.
then balk when I say that if you ran the world like the Bible permits, we'd be in trouble.
We "balk" because we would not run the world like the Bible permits. If we did, we would still be a monarchy rather than a democracy (remember our forefathers went against the Bible by not submitting to King George's authority). Do you allow your wife to speak in church or do you follow Paul's Biblical advice?
34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
1 Corinthians 14:30-40
Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
1 Timothy 2:11-12
We do not want to run the world based on the Bible. We are pointing out the fallacies in wanting to pick and choose what verses should apply or not apply literally.
Are you admitting that these women were indeed witches?
Probably not but maybe so. So what if they were? It has been impossible for the church to completely stamp out native religion no matter where they went. Christmas, Easter eggs/rabbits, Halloween, etc.
__________________ Slug's 1st Law of YECism- Genesis 1-9 must be interpreted literally. Slug's 2nd Law of YECism- Any other verses can be interpreted liberally to support the 1st Law. Slug's 3rd Law of YECism- Make up any extra-Biblical claim, no matter how wild, to wave-away evidence in violation of the 1st Law.
"If God sent a wind from space, and blew waters off the surface, for example, the waters would go down. Just as if you take a cup full of water over a sink, and blow hard on it, a lot will go out of the cup. Elementary." -dad ^This statement nullifies his own argument by comparing a "present state" event to a "past state" event!
In a lame attemptat a post relevant to the OP, and not witches;
The Pew Center released a poll and study today, which had some tidbits which could be seen as relevant to the impact of recent anti-intellectualism within the Republican party on scientist's political leanings
I know there's been a general mass-migration from the Republican party, but 6%??!!! IIRC, there was another poll from ca. 2000, which cited ~25% of polled scientists identifying themselves as Republican (couldn't find the older poll... will look for it some more). The mass-exodus of scientists from the Republican party is outpacing even the broader population as a whole, by about a four-fold rate increase!!
This puts data to the impact of the anti-intellectual stance of the Republican Party, paired with the Bush era stifling of scientific findings that ran contrary to party policies (I thought about also putting this in the Physical Science's "Cherry-picking data" thread...)
Very interesting. Another independent line of evidence for the OP! Last time I posted it was on page 24. Now it's over 50! So what are some of your thoughts on why fundamentalism and anti-intellectualism always seem to go hand in hand?
__________________ Slug's 1st Law of YECism- Genesis 1-9 must be interpreted literally. Slug's 2nd Law of YECism- Any other verses can be interpreted liberally to support the 1st Law. Slug's 3rd Law of YECism- Make up any extra-Biblical claim, no matter how wild, to wave-away evidence in violation of the 1st Law.
"If God sent a wind from space, and blew waters off the surface, for example, the waters would go down. Just as if you take a cup full of water over a sink, and blow hard on it, a lot will go out of the cup. Elementary." -dad ^This statement nullifies his own argument by comparing a "present state" event to a "past state" event!
You guys are the ones having trouble with it --- not I.
You're the ones who think the Salem Witch Trials were done with the Bible's permission/insistance, then balk when I say that if you ran the world like the Bible permits, we'd be in trouble.
Are you admitting that these women were indeed witches?
Are you having trouble telling us exactly what quotes from the bible "we" would use to run the world in some unsatisfactory way?
Please provide the verses, and the correct translation.
Very interesting. Another independent line of evidence for the OP! Last time I posted it was on page 24. Now it's over 50! So what are some of your thoughts on why fundamentalism and anti-intellectualism always seem to go hand in hand?
Seems easy enough to see! Fundamentalism is totally dependent on anti intellectualism.
You guys are the ones having trouble with it --- not I.
You're the ones who think the Salem Witch Trials were done with the Bible's permission/insistance, then balk when I say that if you ran the world like the Bible permits, we'd be in trouble.
The point is that if Anyone ran the world like the Bible permits, we'd be in trouble.
And you guys (fundies) and the ones who want to run the world like the Bible permits.
Are you admitting that these women were indeed witches?
What about the men, AV?
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Don't talk like one of them. You're not! Even if you'd like to be.
To them, you're just a freak, like me! They need you right now, but when they don't, they'll cast you out, like a leper! You see, their morals, their code, it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these... these civilized people, they'll eat each other.
See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve.
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Hey, AV -- why not just do the honest and honorable thing and admit that when the Bible tells people to kill witches, it's wrong?
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Don't talk like one of them. You're not! Even if you'd like to be.
To them, you're just a freak, like me! They need you right now, but when they don't, they'll cast you out, like a leper! You see, their morals, their code, it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these... these civilized people, they'll eat each other.
See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve.
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