Yeah, I suppose I wasn't terribly clear. The "safe haven" rule won't be changed in any negative (ie: making it weaker) way.
There are a few issues at play, I think. One, I find the current site-wide rule a bit weak when it comes to the congregational areas:
I think that it can be rewritten a bit better...I think that area of the site is one of the more unique areas of CF and I'd sooner delete my own account before those areas went away. I have access to all the rules since the site started to I'm combing through those as a starting point.
Two, developing a standard template is going to be one of the first duties of the new Admin cadre, I think. I simply don't have the bandwidth to do everything and nor do I want to. And, per above, my preference is to get input from the individuals (ie: denominations) that will be affected. Likewise, I'm a big fan of the "we believe" vice "you cannot talk about this." I just like things to look standardized so everyone is a) on the same page and 2) people know where to get information.
I'll caveat the next bit by stating that the examples below are pre-decisional courses of action...the format isn't final...we know what we're going to do...we're just in the sasusage making stage at the moment.
Something like this is under consideration:
I also like the brevity of the Messianic Judaism forum statement of faith:
Some of the things (staffing changes etc) are occurring tomorrow night. The FSG thing, in particular, was announced to staff a month or two ago but has been overtaken by other issues (see the OP...lol).
I know that the above examples don't cover things such as debate forums (like TAW has)...we're simply not that far along in the thought process. The above is indicative of our thought process on how to translate "We believe X, Y, Z" into information for members vice creating specific, actionable rules for each forum...which causes problems.
If that didn't answer the question let me know...and I'll try to reattack.
Thank you Tonks, this answered my question abundantly.
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In all the re-working of the forum - I would only hope that something could be looked at again. The release of one of the mods here did a lot of damage to the forum - to see the way that a Christian spent many years, many hours and had her whole heart into the forum treated in the way that she was treated took a lot of wind out of the sales here - was not done in a Christian way whatsoever.
I am speaking of Flaglady - a true Christian with the heart for everyone she met - she put her whole heart and soul into this forum and her treatment lacked much as to 'do unto others'
Totally agree with this post. Perhaps this could be addressed as well.
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A lot of good CF folks that I used to correspond with are now agnostic and atheists, and people have to ask why? CF should be drawing people toward Christ and not away from Him.
After a decade or more of participating in various online fora, I think I'd say that this supposed "deconversion" phenomenon occurs anywhere Xians engage in serious discussions and debates.
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About the "safe havens" -- We don't have to pick just one, do we? My belief system fits Conservative, Fundamentalist, Moderate, Spirit-Filled, Charismatic, probably Pentecostal, and maybe a few others. I enjoy participating in all those venues (though to imply that anyone really does any active "participating" in the Moderate/Bridge-Builders area may be stretching things ).
Also -- and I think this may have been touched on a bit, but I'm not sure -- will anything be done in the way of "standardizing" debate rules among the various "safe havens"? E.g., in the Conservative area, debate *among Conservatives* is allowed anywhere, but NON-Conservatives can debate only in the Debate subforum; however, in Spirit-Filled, *no one* may debate in the "main" forum, but only in the subforums, and then only according to the specific FSGs of the subforums.
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After a decade or more of participating in various online fora, I think I'd say that this supposed "deconversion" phenomenon occurs anywhere Xians engage in serious discussions and debates.
What has generally been your experience with this?
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I agree with Catherineanne and you. Ethnocentrism and parochial religiosity do not build up the Body of Christ, but only divide it. There is only one Faith, one Baptism, one Lord, Jesus Christ.
A lot of good CF folks that I used to correspond with are now agnostic and atheists, and people have to ask why? CF should be drawing people toward Christ and not away from Him.
I think the issue here is that some are so concerned about a gust of wind blowing out their candle that they have decided all candles must be sheltered by bushels.
Closing GA solved nothing. We now see the debate merely shifted to other forums and marginally different topics. sure, we can chase our tails until atheists can only talk about the weather, but even then there will be challenges to the possibility of a world wide flood. censorship of ideas, whether in closings like GA or individual removal of "dangerous ideas" leads to nothing but a rousing game of whack-a-mole
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I think the issue here is that some are so concerned about a gust of wind blowing out their candle that they have decided all candles must be sheltered by bushels.
In some faith/congregational forums, the members look at the faith icon of a newcomer and assume the worst before the newcomer has a chance to really post anything meaningful, or judge the person for what they sense is sarcasm when it is not.
Closing GA solved nothing. We now see the debate merely shifted to other forums and marginally different topics. sure, we can chase our tails until atheists can only talk about the weather, but even then there will be challenges to the possibility of a world wide flood. censorship of ideas, whether in closings like GA or individual removal of "dangerous ideas" leads to nothing but a rousing game of whack-a-mole
I was not talking about GA. I had quite forgotten about those forums as they have been out of sight, out of mind for a long time now. However, viewing what goes on in the faith or congregational areas is enough to cause some people to question Christianity. And what really caught my attention is the number of former CF mods who have lost their faith. They are the ones in the crossfire of the congregational debates and get all the venom.
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