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2nd July 2009, 12:41 PM
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Reps: 420,956,954,470,510,592 (power: 420,956,954,470,530) | | Originally Posted by PatsyG  So it's ok for the dems to be corrupt because the other guys were corrupt.
So much for change.
Was either passage actually corrupt?
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If such people were amenable to facts, they would have gotten the point long ago...Whatever it is that is blocking the understanding of the "denialist", it is not access to facts or information. The blockage is most likely emotional, possibly based on fear, and one does not most effectively deal with emotional barriers by using facts as instruments of assault and battery. - Dan Murphy |
2nd July 2009, 03:38 PM
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Reps: 1,381,320,593,732,748,544 (power: 1,381,320,593,732,771) | | Originally Posted by aisy_Day Was either passage actually corrupt?
Corrupt as in someone gaining something inappropriately? Probably not.
Wrong in that it bypassed any form of debate on the bills? Absolutely. |
2nd July 2009, 04:12 PM
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Reps: 420,956,954,470,510,592 (power: 420,956,954,470,530) | | Originally Posted by chaz345 Corrupt as in someone gaining something inappropriately? Probably not.
Wrong in that it bypassed any form of debate on the bills? Absolutely.
Wasn't it only the amendment that supposedly wasn't debated?
It looked like the result of corrections and clarifications which probably were debated.
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If such people were amenable to facts, they would have gotten the point long ago...Whatever it is that is blocking the understanding of the "denialist", it is not access to facts or information. The blockage is most likely emotional, possibly based on fear, and one does not most effectively deal with emotional barriers by using facts as instruments of assault and battery. - Dan Murphy |
2nd July 2009, 05:10 PM
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Reps: 1,381,320,593,732,748,544 (power: 1,381,320,593,732,771) | | Originally Posted by aisy_Day Wasn't it only the amendment that supposedly wasn't debated?
It looked like the result of corrections and clarifications which probably were debated.
I don't know the timeline between the introduction of the bill and the vote but the first i heard of the issue even being in congress was that it had passed. If it had followed a typical debate cycle, I think it would have been on the news or something. I know that not every bill is reported on but something that signifiant usually is. |
2nd July 2009, 10:07 PM
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Reps: 420,956,954,470,510,592 (power: 420,956,954,470,530) | | H.R. 2454: American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 (GovTrack.us)
The bill was introduced May 15, 2009.
It passed in the House June 26, 2009 - more than a month later.
It, or a version of it, has yet to pass the Senate, let alone be signed into law by Obama. You can link to the text from here.
If the public doesn't read the bill, the public can blame itself.
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If such people were amenable to facts, they would have gotten the point long ago...Whatever it is that is blocking the understanding of the "denialist", it is not access to facts or information. The blockage is most likely emotional, possibly based on fear, and one does not most effectively deal with emotional barriers by using facts as instruments of assault and battery. - Dan Murphy |
2nd July 2009, 10:15 PM
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Reps: 420,956,954,470,510,592 (power: 420,956,954,470,530) | | Originally Posted by mont974x4 again it is about Obama...do you even remember the campaign promises he has broken relating to this issue?
No, I don't remember exactly. Do you have a source or an exact quote?
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If such people were amenable to facts, they would have gotten the point long ago...Whatever it is that is blocking the understanding of the "denialist", it is not access to facts or information. The blockage is most likely emotional, possibly based on fear, and one does not most effectively deal with emotional barriers by using facts as instruments of assault and battery. - Dan Murphy |
3rd July 2009, 12:35 PM
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Reps: 420,956,954,470,510,592 (power: 420,956,954,470,530) | | Originally Posted by PatsyG They're all corrupt. You know it, and so do I.
The passage of all bills is corrupt? I don't know that and I suspect you don't either. I doubt you know of every bill passed. Corrupt as in them working for their own goals and agendas, the will, and the good of the people and the country be damned.
You can't judge everyone on what you would do. They didn't even read the bill, how can they not be corrupt?
That doesn't follow. They can be not corrupt if they've been apprised of the major provisions of the bill and believe it is in the best interests of the people of the US. They have staff to read bills, summarize them and to raise alerts. Have you heard of delegation? It's what people with staff do, it's why they have staff.
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If such people were amenable to facts, they would have gotten the point long ago...Whatever it is that is blocking the understanding of the "denialist", it is not access to facts or information. The blockage is most likely emotional, possibly based on fear, and one does not most effectively deal with emotional barriers by using facts as instruments of assault and battery. - Dan Murphy |
3rd July 2009, 01:06 PM
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Reps: 5,722,384,932,385,373 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by PatsyG
Their corruption is apparent and obvious for anyone with a brain. If you truely had no intention of condoning their wrongdoings, you would have called them out on it, instead of pointing to their wrongdoings of your opponent like the biased person you are. And I do know the extent of your bias.
I have no problem lambasting both sides, because they are equally deserving of it. Yet your almost incapable of critisizing your own side, making you a witless pawn to their corruption and power-mongering.
Congrats, you're part of the problem.
I dont have a side. I am on the outside looking in. Signing a bill without reading is negligent, wrong and disturbing. It is not necessarily corrupt, and unless you can prove any corruption you are wrong. So far you have proven nothing except throw stuff against the wall and hoping that it sticks. I though that those who signed the patriot act were negligent and wrong however I did not suspect corruption. This corruption talk is yours....prove it.  |
3rd July 2009, 01:33 PM
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Reps: 432,857,370,051,261 (power: 432,857,370,057) | | Originally Posted by mont974x4 scoundrels and liars are running the country. is anyone surprised?
So... what was running the country before this administration? |
3rd July 2009, 01:38 PM
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Reps: 1,026,407,240,123,921,408 (power: 1,026,407,240,123,933) | | Originally Posted by TheGuide So... what was running the country before this administration?
So... what do you stand for more of the same or worse? I am American before I am the party! I believe in the confines of the Constitution of the USA. In a republic, in which it stands, under one Nation, Under God, with Liberty and justice for ALL | | |
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