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Evolutions/Devolution exist only in Hybrid man(Nephilim).

If this is your first time on this thread please read all post before posting your material/evidence....Thank you.


Evolution(Specifically Devolution can be proven in the bible)did take place in the bible. I don't believe Evolution/Devolution is within regular humans. I.e. Adam and Eve were never affect by Evolution. I will explain this in a little bit.

I found the reason why converts and Jews of Judaism don't accept Jesus as the Son of God. This can also explain why most Pharisees, Sadducee, and Rabbis opposed and are still opposing Jesus' views with the following evidence. This subject also, of course, points the flaws in Evolution/Devolution.

This is by no means is favoring Judaism or Christianity or any religion out there. This is just giving a fresh look. Before I continue am going to state I am not be anti-semitic. I am Christian and I am going to include Christians as well to this subject. My subject is about two different bloodlines. I found the reason why people don't accept Jesus as the Son of God. This can also explain why most Pharisees, Sadducee, and Rabbis opposed and are still opposing Jesus' views with the following evidence. I also include everyone who doesn’t accept Christ. I will state this again....I am not anti-semitic in this thread. I have friends in Judaism. Everyone should respect everyone’s belief. I don't want to see any batching. It is not the religions but few people in all religions who I am addressing. That is not the purpose about this thread. I just want the truth out. I was reading John 8:31-47...
I found this passage interesting. Jesus was telling some of the Jews they were Satan's Kids. Now again Jews was used as an example. It is stated in the scriptures. I am not targeting. Once you read the different post you will see this applies to all of the other religions including Christianity. I am not favoring a group over another. Continuing..... I was saying to myself why Jesus would say that. Was he talking literally or figuratively? I remember reading another passage similar to John 8:31-47. It was Matthew 13:24-30 and Matthew 13:36-43. These scriptures are in parallel with John 8:31-47. Now I google'd and read that Seed is referred to Sperm concerning Jesus calling them children of Satan. Genesis 38:9....Leviticus 15:16 speak of Seed as Sperm. I also read John the Baptist had a name for the Pharisees. The name was "Brood of vipers" in Matthew 3:7. Brood of vipers/serpents.

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In Hebrew, ãåííçìáôá noun - vocative plural neuter
gennema ghen'-nay-mah meaning Brood and
echidna ekh'-id-nah meaning of Vipers. Hence sons of the Devil in John 8:31-47. At this point I am seeing a trend. Could Satan really have children? If this is in the New testament then I believe I could certainly find it in the Old Testament. I google'd around I stumbled some material pointing out Genesis 6:1-4. At this point I am a bit skeptic but I am open minded still and I am still continue. The sons of God are either Angels or Humans. I was determined to find out who are the sons of God mentioned in Genesis 6:1-4. Through out the Bible there has been 3 accounts with the title "sons of God". It was Adam(First human as a son of God), Angels(Bnai Elohim in the book of Job), and Christians(Galations 3:26). I did a process of elimination. It couldn't have been Adam because "sons of God" is in plural form and also he died before the event of Genesis 6:1-4 happened. Genesis 5:1-3 explains how descendants of Adam aren't called sons of God because they are sons of men. This can be seen in sons of men through out the Old Testament......Children of Men is the same as sons of men. So Adam is out and he descendants too. This is just leaving 2 left: Angels (B'nai ha-Elohim) or Christians(Gal. 3:26) . Christians couldn't have been in Gen. 6:1-4 because Jesus wasn't even in flesh at the time to make the covenant. This only leaves the angels(The rebellious ones and not the faithful ones in heaven). It's hard to swallow but the evidence is clear.
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Now there are those who will oppose this. Keep everything in context. sons of God is a title given to Adam, Angels, and Christians. In the Old Testament humans are sons of men or Children of men and in the New Testament humans have the title sons of God. Another piece of proof is Psalms 90. This psalm was written by Moses. In Psalms 90:1-3 Moses writes men as sons of men and not sons of God. If Moses was referring to Genesis 6:1-4 as sons of Seth, as some people believe, as son of God then in Psalms 90:3 Moses would have wrote in the same context and write sons of God instead of sons of men.
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There are other accounts of men being called Nephilim (Product of Angel and Woman). Nephilim are Mighty men of two types: Heroes of Old and men of renown. Heroes of Old are Giants. Men of renown look like regular humans. Two types of Nephilims. Heroes of Old are products of Angel and earth women. Men of renown comes from Heroes of Old and earth women. Men of Renown look like regular men because Nephilim were the fathers and not the Angels. So there is evolution within this process. Now Evolution is true but only through the Nephilim bloodline. Not from the bloodline of Adam. Evolution is the process of natural selection. If angels had sex with earth women then that wasn't evolution in whole man but in deity man (Half angel/human or Hybrids). I don't believe Evolution occurs within the bloodline of Adam or Whole Man. Heroes of Old are easy to point out in comparison to men of renown. Angels had sex with earth women before and after the flood as it is stated in Gen 6:4. After the flood are more men of renown than Heroes of Old existing. For example, Goliath is a Nephilim, Hero of Old. He was tall and his armor was a few hundred pounds. Men of renown are probably the only Nephilim that is left existing. If you look today you don't really see Giants around. For example, has anyone though how weird in the commandments God instructed us with "Do not Murder" but God told the Israelites to massacre the canaanites and others around Israel's land? Wouldn't this be a contradiction? The answer is God made the commands for Whole man. You are probably confused at this point. Remember Nephilim are made when Angels have sex with earth women. The covenant or commandments do not pertain to Nephilim types of Heroes of Old and men of renown. That is why God instructed David to take them out in the scriptures Psalms 21:8-10. Notice in this passage it states "Their offspring You shall destroy from the earth,
And their descendants from among the sons of men." What is there beside man (sons of men)? The answer is Nephilim. Also there is other scriptures of men of renown.
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Numbers 16:1-2 states Korah is a man of renown. He was rebellious towards moses because it is in his blood. That is why God opened the earth and swallowed Korah and his whole family. It is because they were all Nephilim. Isaiah 22:15-19 God saids Shebna is a mighty man or Nephilim. God states "Why are you making a grave for yourself?" to Shebna. You will not find a resting place(Salvation) in the rock(Messiah). Salvation is only offered to whole man or from the bloodline of Adam, Abraham. As it is stated in John 8:31-47 when Jesus was talking to some of the Jews. I believe some of the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Rabbis, at the time of Jesus, were Nephilim. Not all the them but they were there. That doesn't corrupt the covenant of Moses. I believe in the covenants that God had made with men. I believe once one covenant ends another replaces it. The new covenant takes the principles of the old covenant but not necessarily the same rules. The rules tend to change from covenant to covenant. I just see the Devil putting his children within all the religions to corrupt religions. I believe some of the Rabbis in Judaisms and Pastors in Christianity of Today are Nephilim. Of course, not all but some. Could this be the reason why Judaism, Hinduism, Muslim, etc... doesn't believe in Jesus as the son of God? Some Leaders, in those religions, are possibly sons of the Devil and do the Devil's work by teaching others to not accept Jesus as the Son of God....The Messiah. God taught Adam, Noah, Moses, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, all the way up to the Apostles, in the New Testament, to spot them, the Nephilim or Tare. This is were Calvinism comes in. Some are predestined to Heaven and some are predestined to Hell. The Tear or Nephilim in Matthew 13:24-30 and Matthew 13:36-43 have no Salvation.
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Originally Posted by crawfish View Post
Are we not men?
Yes and No. Blood Line of Adam are Whole Men. Nephilim mixed blood into the bloodline of Adam and Eve. Devolution is within the Nephilim. The trend is Angel -> Heroes of Old(Giants) -> Men of Renown(They look like Regular Men).

This is the reason why Jesus had to come into a virgin birth. Not to be contaminated with Nephilim Blood. I will answer all question later when I come back. I have to leave my place at this moment. I have things to do. Hold question until I come back. BRB.
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There's no such thing as "devolution".
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There's no such thing as "devolution".

Mallon: Yes there is. Look at the Genesis 6:1-4 account. Humans, under the covenants of God in the OT, were never called "sons of God". They were called sons of men/children of men/servants of God/servants. Angels in the OT were called "sons of God" or Bnai Elohim. That is in the Hebrew text of the bible. I will post links as evidence.

Here is Angels in OT of New King James Version.

Genesis 6:2
that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
Genesis 6:1-3 (in Context) Genesis 6 (Whole Chapter)

Genesis 6:4
There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
Genesis 6:3-5 (in Context) Genesis 6 (Whole Chapter)

Job 1:6
[ Satan Attacks Job’s Character ] Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
Job 1:5-7 (in Context) Job 1 (Whole Chapter)

Job 2:1
[ Satan Attacks Job’s Health ] Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
Job 2:1-3 (in Context) Job 2 (Whole Chapter)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just to compare NKJV with NIV Look at Job 1:6 & Job 2:1 in NIV

New International Version (NIV)Job 1:6
Job's First Test

6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

Job 2

Job's Second Test

1 On another day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them to present himself before him.
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Here is Humans/Children of Men/Son of Men in OT of New King James Version.

# 1 Samuel 26:19
Now therefore, please, let my lord the king hear the words of his servant: If the LORD has stirred you up against me, let Him accept an offering. But if it is the children of men, may they be cursed before the LORD, for they have driven me out this day from sharing in the inheritance of the LORD, saying, ‘Go, serve other gods.’
1 Samuel 26:18-20 (in Context) 1 Samuel 26 (Whole Chapter)
# Psalm 14:2
The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men,To see if there are any who understand, who seek God.
Psalm 14:1-3 (in Context) Psalm 14 (Whole Chapter)
# Psalm 36:7
How precious is Your lovingkindness, O God!Therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of Your wings.
Psalm 36:6-8 (in Context) Psalm 36 (Whole Chapter)
# Psalm 53:2
God looks down from heaven upon the children of men,To see if there are any who understand, who seek God.
Psalm 53:1-3 (in Context) Psalm 53 (Whole Chapter)



Here is Humans/sons of God in NT.
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Galatians 3:26 (New International Version)

Sons of God

26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus,
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Children of Men are considered Servants of the Lord...Those in Judaism are consider LORD's Servant.

1. 2 Kings 9:7
And thou shalt smite the house of Ahab thy master, that I may avenge the blood of my servants the prophets, and the blood of all the servants of the LORD, at the hand of Jezebel.

2. 2 Kings 10:23
And Jehu went, and Jehonadab the son of Rechab, into the house of Baal, and said unto the worshippers of Baal, Search, and look that there be here with you none of the servants of the LORD, but the worshippers of Baal only.

3. Psalm 113:1
Praise ye the LORD. Praise, O ye servants of the LORD, praise the name of the LORD.

4. Psalm 134:1
Behold, bless ye the LORD, all ye servants of the LORD, which by night stand in the house of the LORD.

5. Psalm 135:1
Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the name of the LORD; praise him, O ye servants of the LORD.

6. Isaiah 54:17
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.





******Jews, under the law/Judaism, gives up their title son of men/servants and receiving the title sons of God once they accept Jesus Christ as their LORD and Savior. This only applies when anyone in Judaism is converted to Messianic Judaism/Christianity. Either/Or**************

Galatians 4:1-7 will prove that a man can either be son of man/children of man or sons of God. Men can not be sons of men and sons of God at the sametime.

Galatians 4:1-7 (New King James Version)

Galatians 4

1Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;

*****The Servant/Sons of Men and the child/sons of God are treat no different by God....He is Lord of All****


2But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.

*******but the sons of men/children of men/servants are under tutors and governors until the appoint time of the Father/Godhead*******


3Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

*****We are all children, either children of men or children of God, they were in bondage under the sin/elements of the world******

4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

*****When the time came for the Father to send Jesus, Jesus was made of a woman and was born in the time of Judaism and the only covenant at the time.*****

5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

*****To redeem the servants/sons of men under the Law of Moses, that we(Christians/Jews(Who were in Judaism/Converts) and Gentiles together) might receive the adoption/title of sons of God in Christ Jesus.****

6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

*****Because you who accepted Christ, you are all sons of God, God has sent his the Son's Spirit into your hearts, we all cry out Abba, Father!!!****

7Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

*****You Jews once in Judaism are no more called sons of men/Servants but now are sons of God in Christianity, and if you are sons of God then heir of God through Jesus Christ.******

Galatians 4:1-7(KJV) clearly state that those under the law are servants did not have the title "sons of God" in the OT. That starts with Seth all the way before Christianity started. All men in this period of OT were called sons of men. Now in Christ, Jews from Judaism, give up the name sons of men to sons of God. There is two entities in this scripture. One entity is Servant/son of man and the other entity is child/son of God. These entities can not be the same. Either a man is a son of man/servant or he is a son of God.

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