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Especially if you're not a fan of democracy. See Iran and Honduras for examples.
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Thank god. I'm no Franken fan, but that whole process was a joke. Now Minnesota can see what an incompetent wack job he is.
I gotta give you props for being man enough to support democracy, even if you strongly dislike the candidate. As for the last sentence, were you referring to Norm Coleman?
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Please. This outcome has little to do with democracy. But being a shiv for a particular party does mandate wearing a huge set of blinders.
Democrats are always howling that “every vote should count”. Unless those votes are not for them. During this “democratic” process, there were over 9,300 absentee ballots under dispute by both sides. Of these, only 350 were allowed to have been counted. There were different guidelines used by different governing bodies to disallow these ballots, which amounted to a clear violation of the U.S. Supreme Court ruling in Bush v Gore which rules that all votes are equal and one cannot be ruled more valid than another.
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“Case in point: the panel's dismal handling of absentee ballots. Early in the recount, the Franken team howled that some absentee votes had been erroneously rejected by local officials. We warned at the time that this was dangerous territory, designed to pressure election officials into accepting rejected ballots after the fact.”
“Yet instead of shutting this Franken request down, or early on issuing a clear set of rules as to which absentees were valid, the state Supreme Court and the canvassing board oversaw a haphazard process by which some counties submitted new batches to be included in the tally, while other counties did not. The resulting additional 933 ballots were largely responsible for Mr. Franken's narrow lead.”
“Democrats want to portray Mr. Coleman as a sore loser and make the Republican worry that he will ruin his chances for other political office. But Mr. Coleman has a legitimate grievance that not all votes have been treated equally. If the Franken standard of disparate absentee-voter treatment is allowed to stand, every close election will be settled by a legal scramble to change the vote-counting rules after Election Day.”
“The Supreme Court ruled 7–2 that the Florida Supreme Court's decision, calling for a statewide recount, violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The Court stated that the Equal Protection clause guarantees individuals that their ballots cannot be devalued by "later arbitrary and disparate treatment". Even if the recount was fair in theory, it was unfair in practice. The record suggested that different standards were seemingly applied to the recount from ballot to ballot, precinct to precinct, and county to county.”
It is also interesting to note that from November 4, 2008 until January 5, 2009, Coleman was the leader in this race. However, in every recount since that date, Franken increased his lead in concert with officials in Minnesota denying Coleman's motions and approving his. The final official recount before Franken sued to continue had Coleman winning by 215 votes.
Then there is the question of the 133 “missing” ballots. After recounts in the Dinkytown precinct near the University of Minnesota, 133 fewer ballots were produced than in the original count, a result which also led to 46 fewer votes for Franken. But election workers admitted that 129 ballots had been run through the machines twice, thus accounting for the “missing” ballots. But the secretary of state ruled to use the totals from election night, rather than those of the recount. As Stalin is reported to have said, it doesn’t matter who votes, what matters is who counts the votes.
But this tactic is nothing new to the Democrat version of “democracy” in action.
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“Haueter was, at that time, chief of staff for Nolan, and it was he who first contacted attorney Tim Downs, who readily admitted the Democratic strategy and even described the tactics to Nolan.
"When I first called him and explained to him who I was and why I was calling, he chuckled and said, 'I wondered when you guys would get around to calling me,'" Haueter said, adding that Downs told him -- "'I've taken several seats from you across the United States.'"
"Downs told me, somewhat tongue-in-cheek, 'You get me within 100 votes and I can steal any election,'" Haueter told WorldNetDaily.
Nolan subsequently hired Downs and "brought him out to train my staff in the techniques they [Democrats] were using" so they could protect themselves against future election-fraud victimization, Nolan said.
Nolan and Haueter said Downs described three basic tactics:
* "The first rule is, you keep counting until you're ahead. And if that doesn't put you ahead, you recount, re-recount -- you keep counting until you're ahead. If you're behind, then you've got nothing to lose."
* Second, Nolan said, "the more times those ballots are handled, the more chance there is that chads will break loose" and hence disqualify the ballot.
* Third, he said, "the minute you're ahead, you stop and declare yourself the victor."
For Democrats, election recounts are never intended to get more accurate results, but rather to “find”, “discover”, or simply manufacture new votes for whatever democratic candidate is running and steal the election. So perhaps Honduras or Iran is a good example to cite, Tree, only you are the one who should be looking there.
But then I also know none of this matters to those ideologues on the left. To them, this is all that matters:
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“Another blow to the GOP.”
Where is the “democracy” in a one-party rule?
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what a terribly decided case... besides which, of course, the Court said, for the first and only time in history, that the case was a one time deal, set no precedent, and had no bearing on any pending or future cases.
so citing it is kind of a failure.
but thank goodness the people of Minnesota finally had their voices heard, and the will of the people will be represented in the Senate
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So, the dem's stole another one, what's new? The people will now get what they deserve...the whole nation of us.
So getting more votes is now stealing an election? Gotta love that right wing ideology when it comes to "democracy"
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You didn't read my post, IT, but if this is what you call "the will of the people", then no amount of reason will sway you.
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Franken is Harvard educated and politically savvy. He'll do a lot better then many of those well-aged Republican senators, who are now whining over the fact that Obama is no longer wooing them.
While I don't doubt that Al Franken agrees with my position on a vastly wider array of issues than Norm Coleman does, I have heard Franken on the radio, and I have attempted to read more than one of his books, and my opinion, based on those experiences, is that Al Franken should be kept far away from a podium, let alone a legislative process.
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So getting more votes is now stealing an election? Gotta love that right wing ideology when it comes to "democracy"
counting illegal votes and denying legal votes is stealing elections. Gotta love how supporting the rule of law is somehow being against democracy.
of course, it does not matter. the decision has been made..all we have to do now is to continue to watch the ship burn into the night as it sinks below the surface.
Hopefully by 2010 elction time enough people will see the light and vote some of these crooks out of office.
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As for the last sentence, were you referring to Norm Coleman? 
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