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Old 2nd July 2009, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by juvenissun View Post
This illustrates that you are brainwashed by paleontology. Morphologically, paleontologist put human skeleton after that of ape. That absolutely does not say that human evolved from ape. This conclusion does not even follow the simplest logic.
This constitutes a massive misunderstanding, which you repeat either ignorantly, or intentionally. Humans and other types of modern apes are evolved from a common ancestor, not from one another, and no scientist claims differently.
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Old 2nd July 2009, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by juvenissun View Post
No. They will mutate in different way.
This is possible, but not definitive. Most likely, they will have identical genetics. And while identical twins may not be physically be precisely identical, this is due to environmental variations, not genetic variations.
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Originally Posted by juvenissun View Post
There is none. Everything else is made (and made up) to support the morphological argument.
But you said paleontologists ignore just that: the "everything else." So if they did that, according to what you say "everything else" is, they would be doing the right thing wouldn't they ?


If two skeletons are the same, to paleontologist, they are the same thing. But, It is absolutely false. I am unique. I am not anyone else. This is what paleontologist does not know.
No they don't say they're the "same thing." They would say they belong to the same SPECIES.


Paleontology is a study of classification.
No it isn't. Paleontology is the study of the forms of life existing in previous geological periods as represented by their fossils. If anything is "a study" of classification it would be taxonomy. Look it up.
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Originally Posted by juvenissun View Post
There is none. Everything else is made (and made up) to support the morphological argument.

If two skeletons are the same, to paleontologist, they are the same thing. But, It is absolutely false. I am unique. I am not anyone else. This is what paleontologist does not know.

Paleontology is a study of classification. That is only step ONE in any science. Do not take it to make conclusion.

Cool First you say they ignore everything else, then you say there isnt anything else. But we asked what they ignore. You sidestepped that. Tell us what they ignore.

Great ad hom falsehood, btw that "paleontologists dont know" that things are unique. Each Honda Civic is unique too, and we all know that.

But to you its absolutely fase that two Honda civics are both honda civics?

Oh, and really you should stop trying to say what paleontology is, does, or can do. You have admitted, and demonstrated both that you have not studied and dont know anything about it. But here you go with another false statement about it.

Anyway, tell us what it is that paleontology ignores. Besides that ridiculous claim that "they dont know everyhting is unique".
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This constitutes a massive misunderstanding, which you repeat either ignorantly, or intentionally. Humans and other types of modern apes are evolved from a common ancestor, not from one another, and no scientist claims differently.

Well its like I told him earlier, all the "problems" or "errors" that he finds in evolution are products of his own invention. He doesnt know enough to even know that his ideas are not part of ToE. He is arguing against his own fantasies.
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Oh one other thing, juv.... earlier, I pointed out that the fish and amphibians from the time that they transitioned out of the water were fresh water, not salt water animals as you thought. Would you care to acknowledge that you were in error? Its instructive to find out if people can admit that they are wrong
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Originally Posted by juvenissun View Post
Such as the difference between you and an ape.

If you say there is no difference, I will buy some bananas for you.
Of course there are differences... we are differEnt species! This does not mean we are not related. Are there no differences between you and your brother or cousin? Does that mean you are not related??
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Maybe it would help if we glanced away from human evolution and our cousinship with chimps to look at other 'cousin' species as examples. These two animals are related in much the same way as humans and chimps. They are both Marmotini.

Tamias minimus:


Chipmunk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Marmota marmota


Marmot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Originally Posted by juvenissun View Post
This illustrates that you are brainwashed by paleontology. Morphologically, paleontologist put human skeleton after that of ape. That absolutely does not say that human evolved from ape. This conclusion does not even follow the simplest logic.
On the contrary, the series of fossils that show the gradual evolution of species culminating in Homo sapiens is direct evidence that humans share a common ancestor with modern apes. And this is simply one of multiple independent lines of evidence: chronological dating by any of the various techniques available allows us to know where to place the fossils in the timeline.

We don't arrange them according to morphology: we arrange them by chronology. The morphological gradation is what we see when we arrange them chronologically, and this provides very strong evidence for evolution.

And then, of course, there's all the other lines of evidence.
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On the contrary, the series of fossils that show the gradual evolution of species culminating in Homo sapiens is direct evidence that humans share a common ancestor with modern apes. And this is simply one of multiple independent lines of evidence: chronological dating by any of the various techniques available allows us to know where to place the fossils in the timeline.

We don't arrange them according to morphology: we arrange them by chronology. The morphological gradation is what we see when we arrange them chronologically, and this provides very strong evidence for evolution.

And then, of course, there's all the other lines of evidence.

Well, yeah, what you do if you dont have any data, see, and dont really know the subject matter, the thing to do is toss in an ad hom.... "you are all BRAINWASHED!"

And then invent a problem and say see, this is dumb of you to think this.
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