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2nd July 2009, 09:28 AM
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Reps: 118,712,461,112,472,176 (power: 118,712,461,112,500) | | Originally Posted by iremouth  How did you get it to go from being a belief to a fact? it should read:
'It is also required for a believer to teach them about Jesus. because it is believed that Jesus is the creator'.
Not at all. It is known by believers. For we know Him, whom to know is to love. Passing that on to kids is a duty.
What is a fact is that so called science resides only on a lie. That is known. We can see it demonstrated here. In that the foundation belief of a same state past can't be proved. Therefore, all that is built up on that foundation is dung.
There is a price to be paid, you know, for having no proof. Not all beliefs are equal. The observed and recorded, and tested and tried beliefs of bible believers are life and death realities. The puss filled insults to the intellect of so called science are unseen, unknown, untried, ungodly, unintelligent, unbelievable fables.
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2nd July 2009, 10:40 AM
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There is a price to be paid, you know, for having no proof. Not all beliefs are equal.
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Read your own words, dad. Study them carefully. They apply to you more than to almost every other poster here. Your different state notion is unproved, unproveable, unevidenced. It is not equal to any belief that has at least some evidence. |
2nd July 2009, 11:24 AM
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Reps: 21,130,497,817,639,480 (power: 21,130,497,817,648) | | Originally Posted by dad I do not need proof, it is the default. You have no proof it is a lie. Neither have you proof that your same state stuff is true. What DO you have,then? That is the question.
This whole spiel again? The default is "same state". You are the one who has to provide evidence of a "different state" past. We have plenty of evidence to show the physical laws of the past are the same as now. So, we ought to be sure to tell kids that a same state past is something we have no proof for. Got it. You have no proof of a same state past, yet it is taught.
Ignoring evidence is not the same as not having any. Would you care to have a formal debate on the matter with me?
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Thalidomide, Pluto, and Challenger. Not a good argument against science.
Slug's 1st Law of YECism- Genesis 1-9 must be interpreted literally.
Slug's 2nd Law of YECism- Any other verses can be interpreted liberally to support the 1st Law.
Slug's 3rd Law of YECism- Make up any extra-Biblical claim, no matter how wild, to wave-away evidence in violation of the 1st Law.
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2nd July 2009, 11:39 AM
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Thalidomide, Pluto, and Challenger. Not a good argument against science.
Slug's 1st Law of YECism- Genesis 1-9 must be interpreted literally.
Slug's 2nd Law of YECism- Any other verses can be interpreted liberally to support the 1st Law.
Slug's 3rd Law of YECism- Make up any extra-Biblical claim, no matter how wild, to wave-away evidence in violation of the 1st Law.
Divinity= selflessness rather than selfishness. What is more selfish than sending somebody to hell because they don't love you? |
2nd July 2009, 05:01 PM
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Reps: 118,712,461,112,472,176 (power: 118,712,461,112,500) | | Originally Posted by BananaSlug This whole spiel again? The default is "same state". You are the one who has to provide evidence of a "different state" past. We have plenty of evidence to show the physical laws of the past are the same as now.
Ignoring evidence is not the same as not having any. Would you care to have a formal debate on the matter with me?
There is a thread on it in physical science area. If you do well there, an exclysive debate could be arranged. Trouble is, I know you got nothin. Let's see what you got.
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2nd July 2009, 10:18 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,856,908) | | Originally Posted by iremouth Do you think creationism is right to target young children...
Seeing as we've been told to target them --- in Writing --- yes. Originally Posted by Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
A good place to start is to ask your child, "What are the 4th and 5th words in the Bible?"
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2nd July 2009, 10:24 PM
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Reps: 228,193,399,886,833,536 (power: 228,193,399,886,840) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET Seeing as we've been told to target them --- in Writing --- yes.A good place to start is to ask your child, "What are the 4th and 5th words in the Bible?"
A good place to start would be to ask yourself "Should I really teach children that evidence doesn't matter?"
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2nd July 2009, 10:28 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,856,908) | | Originally Posted by gaara4158 A good place to start would be to ask yourself "Should I really teach children that evidence doesn't matter?"
What evidence?
The Creation produced none.
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2nd July 2009, 10:39 PM
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Reps: 228,193,399,886,833,536 (power: 228,193,399,886,840) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET What evidence?
The Creation produced none.
Funny, that. Whatever did take place left evidence for evolution and only evolution... but that doesn't matter. The answer is in your Book, and you should Teach children that the Right Answers can't be achieved by logic, reason, inquisition, observation, or experimentation, but by reading what is Written --- right?
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2nd July 2009, 10:44 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,856,908) | | Originally Posted by gaara4158 The answer is in your Book, and you should Teach children that the Right Answers can't be achieved by logic, reason, inquisition, observation, or experimentation, but by reading what is Written --- right?
Well --- aside from all that rigmarole --- I'd word it this way:
The answers cannot be achieved by science.
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