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No... the fact you cannot defend science as it has been proven ephimeral is interesting.... too
__________________ No one on this earth can avoid affliction; and although the
afflictions which the Lord sends are not great men imagine them
beyond their strength and are crushed by them. This is because
they will not humble their souls and commit themselves to the will
of God. But the Lord Himself guides with His grace those who are
given over to God's will, and they bear all things with fortitude
for the sake of God Whom they have so loved and with Whom they are
glorified for ever. It is impossible to escape tribulation in this
world but the man who is giver over to the will of God bears
tribulation easily, seeing it but putting his trust in the Lord,
and so his tribulations pass.
What I am saying is that I will take nightquil but I will not be supriced if I for example get liver cancer from it .... because "new finding" bla bla.... So that is why although science benefits a lot also is not a mandra to live by it is just a tool... and an unreliable one. So why teach my child she has to put her "trust' is something so ephimeral and not God....
So why would you take a drug if you thought it would give you cancer?
And what about your kids? Have they received their vaccinations?
Why do you Jester? Why do you drive a car? These are all chances we take and we KNOW they are chances... So why do we elevate science to replace God? You tell me....
__________________ No one on this earth can avoid affliction; and although the
afflictions which the Lord sends are not great men imagine them
beyond their strength and are crushed by them. This is because
they will not humble their souls and commit themselves to the will
of God. But the Lord Himself guides with His grace those who are
given over to God's will, and they bear all things with fortitude
for the sake of God Whom they have so loved and with Whom they are
glorified for ever. It is impossible to escape tribulation in this
world but the man who is giver over to the will of God bears
tribulation easily, seeing it but putting his trust in the Lord,
and so his tribulations pass.
Science is imperfect and cannot replace what I will tell my child about God. Or are you all telling your children that science is perfect and makes no mistakes?
__________________ No one on this earth can avoid affliction; and although the
afflictions which the Lord sends are not great men imagine them
beyond their strength and are crushed by them. This is because
they will not humble their souls and commit themselves to the will
of God. But the Lord Himself guides with His grace those who are
given over to God's will, and they bear all things with fortitude
for the sake of God Whom they have so loved and with Whom they are
glorified for ever. It is impossible to escape tribulation in this
world but the man who is giver over to the will of God bears
tribulation easily, seeing it but putting his trust in the Lord,
and so his tribulations pass.
Why do you Jester? Why do you drive a car? These are all chances we take and we KNOW they are chances... So why do we elevate science to replace God? You tell me....
I know that aspirin relieves physical pain.
I know that driving a car gets me somewhere faster than walking.
You, on the other hand, seem to be of the opinion that modern science hasn't given us anything. So, I ask again, if you don't think you will benefit from modern medicine, and that any given drug could give you cancer... why take any modern medicines? Why have your kids vaccinated?
So... if one is a natural medecine follower is necessarily judging those who do convenstional medicine. You are putting words in my mouth I did not say. I have an opinion and I have a right to teach my child whatever I want her to learn not what science teaches her. Anyhow natural medicine been around for centuries than a conventional medicine... for example. So why would I want to teach my child a theory that has no proof ? And anyways that is my choice as a parent not the school's...
Again, theories in scientific terminology never have "proof." They are either supported by the evidence or they are falsified by the evidence. Do you understand now?
What would you have your child learn in a science class, other than science???
Originally Posted by Philothei
I understanf that Jester but still does not cut it. Why impose as "truth" something that could "change" ? That is the principle of what science is that is not "stable" ...The variants change and sometimes are flat out wrong. Those scientists even say the findings "could" be wrong.
Everthing in science is taken as tentative. Yet, our technology is entirely dependent on that "unstable" science. That should give you all the confidence required.
Originally Posted by Philothei
What I am saying is that I will take nightquil but I will not be supriced if I for example get liver cancer from it .... because "new finding" bla bla.... So that is why although science benefits a lot also is not a mandra to live by it is just a tool... and an unreliable one. So why teach my child she has to put her "trust' is something so ephimeral and not God....
Yes, science is a tool to help us understand the natural/ physical world. You claim it is unreliable, yet our society depends on it like a one legged man depends on a crutch. If it is so unreliable, why does your air conditioner work? Why does you refigerator work? Why does your car work? Why do you get electricity from your electrical outlets? It all seems pretty reliable to me. Your real objection was hidden in your last sentence. You think evolution goes against God. That is why you think it is "unreliable," not because it is science.
__________________ “The biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense." -Bishop John Shelby Spong
"It is not the obligation of the State to reconcile various faiths with reality. Do it yourself." -Atomweaver
"We have designed our civilization based on science and technology and at the same time arranged things so that almost no one understands anything at all about science and technology. This is a clear prescription for disaster."
- Carl Sagan (Demon Haunted World)
You, on the other hand, seem to be of the opinion that modern science hasn't given us anything.
I did not say they did not I am saying what they give us could be untrue and it is not "stable" as theories contradict each other.... with new findings. I have to vaccinate my child it is the law and actually some vaccines can and have given children diseases. The flue shot can give you athritis I know a friend who has it...It has almost 1 or 2 percent risk...Is that perfect? do not think so...
__________________ No one on this earth can avoid affliction; and although the
afflictions which the Lord sends are not great men imagine them
beyond their strength and are crushed by them. This is because
they will not humble their souls and commit themselves to the will
of God. But the Lord Himself guides with His grace those who are
given over to God's will, and they bear all things with fortitude
for the sake of God Whom they have so loved and with Whom they are
glorified for ever. It is impossible to escape tribulation in this
world but the man who is giver over to the will of God bears
tribulation easily, seeing it but putting his trust in the Lord,
and so his tribulations pass.
Science is imperfect and cannot replace what I will tell my child about God. Or are you all telling your children that science is perfect and makes no mistakes?
I don't have any kids... although I do look forward to one day being a parent.
When the time comes, I intend to teach my children to question the world around them. I will teach them to examine the evidence for any position, and determine if that position is more plausible than another position. I will teach them that it's ok to be wrong, and that discovery comes from the realization that an existing conclusion may be flawed.
I will do all of this so that they will NOT take anything at face value, scientific theories included.
I will do this so that when they see overwhelming evidence supporting scientific theories, they will understand why those theories are reliable.
I will do this so that when they are told about creationism, they will ask to see the evidence... and when none can be presented... they will know exactly what those ideas are worth.
Science is imperfect and cannot replace what I will tell my child about God.
Science tells us nothing about God. No one is claiming it should replace God. However, maybe your understanding of God or The Bible is what is imperfect here. Is that possible? How about likely?
__________________ “The biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense." -Bishop John Shelby Spong
"It is not the obligation of the State to reconcile various faiths with reality. Do it yourself." -Atomweaver
"We have designed our civilization based on science and technology and at the same time arranged things so that almost no one understands anything at all about science and technology. This is a clear prescription for disaster."
- Carl Sagan (Demon Haunted World)
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