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Originally Posted by Philothei View Post
Again why should I trust science.? no reason to "trust" it at all.
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Originally Posted by Philothei View Post
it is not updated but proved flat out wrong so...why beliveve it? I mean years of taking one drug and studies done on that certain drug....and then one day that is the cause of serious disease....Again why should I trust science.? no reason to "trust" it at all. The reason I do 'follow' it is that the alternative given is not paid by most insurances really... Otherwise, conventional medicine is fairly new and trad. medicine is eons long.(botanical holistic) ..AGain no reason to "trust" science that is seems that is it nothing more than the blind leading the blind....
So I take it you've never used aspirin, penicilin, nyquil... never been vacinated.. and, if you have kids, you've never provided any of these things to your children?


Regardless, evidence that a drug is safe is still evidence. New evidence that later reveals the drug causes a different condition after a period of use it just that, "new evidence". The previous evidence is not "flat out wrong", it was just valid for the conditions it was gathered under.
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
All of us take drugs derived from research based on the theory of evolution, and the track-record is pretty good. I believe that answers your drug-question.

As for the rest of your post, it simply demonstrates that you know exactly nothing about science, and that you don't even understand what the word "theory" means.
so you need to know a lot about science to find out that studies contradict each other in scientific theories? I think not..
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Originally Posted by Philothei View Post
so you need to know a lot about science to find out that studies contradict each other in scientific theories? I think not..
Wonderful. Then you should have no trouble providing some examples of what you're talking about.
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[quote=uke2se;52216985]Quite.
This specimen's kind of ingratitude to the men and women dedicating their lives to making human life
So... if one is a natural medecine follower is necessarily judging those who do convenstional medicine. You are putting words in my mouth I did not say. I have an opinion and I have a right to teach my child whatever I want her to learn not what science teaches her. Anyhow natural medicine been around for centuries than a conventional medicine... for example. So why would I want to teach my child a theory that has no proof ? And anyways that is my choice as a parent not the school's...
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Originally Posted by Philothei View Post
So... if one is a natural medecine follower is necessarily judging those who do convenstional medicine. You are putting words in my mouth I did not say. I have an opinion and I have a right to teach my child whatever I want her to learn not what science teaches her. Anyhow natural medicine been around for centuries than a conventional medicine... for example. So why would I want to teach my child a theory that has no proof ? And anyways that is my choice as a parent not the school's...
Originally Posted by Jester4kicks View Post
So I take it you've never used aspirin, penicilin, nyquil... never been vacinated.. and, if you have kids, you've never provided any of these things to your children?
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New evidence that later reveals the drug causes a different condition after a period of use it just that, "new evidence". The previous evidence is not "flat out wrong", it was just valid for the conditions it was gathered under.
I understanf that Jester but still does not cut it. Why impose as "truth" something that could "change" ? That is the principle of what science is that is not "stable" ...The variants change and sometimes are flat out wrong. Those scientists even say the findings "could" be wrong.
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What I am saying is that I will take nightquil but I will not be supriced if I for example get liver cancer from it .... because "new finding" bla bla.... So that is why although science benefits a lot also is not a mandra to live by it is just a tool... and an unreliable one. So why teach my child she has to put her "trust' is something so ephimeral and not God....
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Originally Posted by Philothei View Post
I understanf that Jester but still does not cut it. Why impose as "truth" something that could "change" ? That is the principle of what science is that is not "stable" ...The variants change and sometimes are flat out wrong. Those scientists even say the findings "could" be wrong.
Edit: nvm, you just answered it. Reply coming.
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Originally Posted by Philothei View Post
So why teach my child she has to put her "trust' is something so ephimeral and not God....
The contradictory humor in this one statement says it all for me
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