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Again: please present us your credentials. How long have you studied any field related to evolution?
so are you saying you have to study theology to talk about creationism....hmmm...that would limit and exclude all parents from forming opinions thus it leaves those who ONLY have studied to talk....According to your logic no one should be voting either since they do not have a degree in political science... either?
__________________ No one on this earth can avoid affliction; and although the
afflictions which the Lord sends are not great men imagine them
beyond their strength and are crushed by them. This is because
they will not humble their souls and commit themselves to the will
of God. But the Lord Himself guides with His grace those who are
given over to God's will, and they bear all things with fortitude
for the sake of God Whom they have so loved and with Whom they are
glorified for ever. It is impossible to escape tribulation in this
world but the man who is giver over to the will of God bears
tribulation easily, seeing it but putting his trust in the Lord,
and so his tribulations pass.
Theories are more powerful than facts, because theories explain facts and tie them together.
So...is ANY theory more poowerful than facts?
__________________ No one on this earth can avoid affliction; and although the
afflictions which the Lord sends are not great men imagine them
beyond their strength and are crushed by them. This is because
they will not humble their souls and commit themselves to the will
of God. But the Lord Himself guides with His grace those who are
given over to God's will, and they bear all things with fortitude
for the sake of God Whom they have so loved and with Whom they are
glorified for ever. It is impossible to escape tribulation in this
world but the man who is giver over to the will of God bears
tribulation easily, seeing it but putting his trust in the Lord,
and so his tribulations pass.
so are you saying you have to study theology to talk about creationism....hmmm...that would limit and exclude all parents from forming opinions thus it leaves those who ONLY have studied to talk....According to your logic no one should be voting either since they do not have a degree in political science... either?
One can have an opinion on something. However, that opinion is worth less than someone that studied it. My opinion on what a certain parable actually means is worth less than the opinion that studied theology and mine would probably be the wrong interpretation. When discussing geo-politics and disagreeing with Henry Kissinger, it's likely I'm wrong. Voting, however, is just selecting which party-program you agree with the most, no education required.
Your (wrong) idea that a scientific theory means "there's no evidence for it" disagrees with the knowledge of thousands and thousands of people that studied years on related subjects.
Tell me: why should I trust your opinion instead of trusting those that actually studied for it?
__________________ William "BBR" duBois
"If there is a God, atheism must seem to Him as less of an insult than religion."
-Edmond de Goncour
I would venture to say that any true scientific theory is. Keep in mind though, the term "theory" only survives if the supporting data stands up to strict peer review and numerous tests.
One can have an opinion on something. However, that opinion is worth less than someone that studied it. My opinion on what a certain parable actually means is worth less than the opinion that studied theology and mine would probably be the wrong interpretation. When discussing geo-politics and disagreeing with Henry Kissinger, it's likely I'm wrong. Voting, however, is just selecting which party-program you agree with the most, no education required.
Your (wrong) idea that a scientific theory means "there's no evidence for it" disagrees with the knowledge of thousands and thousands of people that studied years on related subjects.
Tell me: why should I trust your opinion instead of trusting those that actually studied for it?
A scientist can be just as biased in believing his own theory as true as any other or we would not have people overturning medical scientific proven theories. And they have so it depends which school you are from and so many even contradict each other... Why would so many evolutions theories be correct ? it seems to me a wild goose chase as per nutrition for example so many contradictiory "findings" prove their own theories and in the end proves what? That we are know less of what we "think" we know...
__________________ No one on this earth can avoid affliction; and although the
afflictions which the Lord sends are not great men imagine them
beyond their strength and are crushed by them. This is because
they will not humble their souls and commit themselves to the will
of God. But the Lord Himself guides with His grace those who are
given over to God's will, and they bear all things with fortitude
for the sake of God Whom they have so loved and with Whom they are
glorified for ever. It is impossible to escape tribulation in this
world but the man who is giver over to the will of God bears
tribulation easily, seeing it but putting his trust in the Lord,
and so his tribulations pass.
And how you define true? We do not know simply put. Thus the "theory" part..
__________________ No one on this earth can avoid affliction; and although the
afflictions which the Lord sends are not great men imagine them
beyond their strength and are crushed by them. This is because
they will not humble their souls and commit themselves to the will
of God. But the Lord Himself guides with His grace those who are
given over to God's will, and they bear all things with fortitude
for the sake of God Whom they have so loved and with Whom they are
glorified for ever. It is impossible to escape tribulation in this
world but the man who is giver over to the will of God bears
tribulation easily, seeing it but putting his trust in the Lord,
and so his tribulations pass.
A scientist can be just as biased in believing his own theory as true as any other or we would not have people overturning medical scientific proven theories.
You've been told here that there is no "proof" in science. There is evidence, that can be updated. Updated evidence means we might have to change the way we think about things.
As far as "biased" goes: that's where peer-review comes in. Someone that can actually show why the theory of evolution is wrong would become famous. Win a nobel prize, probably. Why doesn't anyone come out with it in any peer reviewed paper? Why is Creationism mostly done by people without any relevant diploma?
And they have so it depends which school you are from and so many even contradict each other... Why would so many evolutions theories be correct ?
There is but one theory of evolution. The discussions about it are in no way serious enough to discredit it, and are about details.
it seems to me a wild goose chase as per nutrition for example so many contradictiory "findings" prove their own theories and in the end proves what? That we are know less of what we "think" we know...
And you still haven't said why I should trust you, only why I shouldn't trust the scientists (and you did a bad job saying that, since you won't convince anyone with it).
So again: what are your credentials?
*edit:
*sigh* You've been told what a scientific theory is. Equating it with the common day usage is a lazy and very wrong answer, at the very least.
__________________ William "BBR" duBois
"If there is a God, atheism must seem to Him as less of an insult than religion."
-Edmond de Goncour
And you still haven't said why I should trust you, only why I shouldn't trust the scientists (and you did a bad job saying that, since you won't convince anyone with it).
did I miss something here? I said that even the scientists do not trust each other... why should I trust them? You said:
There is evidence, that can be updated. Updated evidence means we might have to change the way we think about things.
it is not updated but proved flat out wrong so...why beliveve it? I mean years of taking one drug and studies done on that certain drug....and then one day that is the cause of serious disease....Again why should I trust science.? no reason to "trust" it at all. The reason I do 'follow' it is that the alternative given is not paid by most insurances really... Otherwise, conventional medicine is fairly new and trad. medicine is eons long.(botanical holistic) ..AGain no reason to "trust" science that is seems that is it nothing more than the blind leading the blind....
__________________ No one on this earth can avoid affliction; and although the
afflictions which the Lord sends are not great men imagine them
beyond their strength and are crushed by them. This is because
they will not humble their souls and commit themselves to the will
of God. But the Lord Himself guides with His grace those who are
given over to God's will, and they bear all things with fortitude
for the sake of God Whom they have so loved and with Whom they are
glorified for ever. It is impossible to escape tribulation in this
world but the man who is giver over to the will of God bears
tribulation easily, seeing it but putting his trust in the Lord,
and so his tribulations pass.
A scientist can be just as biased in believing his own theory as true as any other or we would not have people overturning medical scientific proven theories. And they have so it depends which school you are from and so many even contradict each other...
Which theories, specifically, contradict each other?
Originally Posted by Philothei
Why would so many evolutions theories be correct ?
"So many"? "theories"? You seem to imply there is more than one. Please list them.
Originally Posted by Philothei
it seems to me a wild goose chase as per nutrition for example so many contradictiory "findings" prove their own theories and in the end proves what? That we are know less of what we "think" we know...
It seems to me that you just don't know much about the subject. I'd be happy to be proven wrong though, so feel free to answer the questions presented above and we can try and figure out where you're getting confused.
Originally Posted by Philothei
And how you define true? We do not know simply put. Thus the "theory" part..
I added the "true" qualifier to ensure we kept our discussion on scientific theories... and not any old subject that someone just decided to throw the term "theory" in front of.
Anyway, a "true" scientific theory is a theory that is well-supported with data, is testable, verifiable, makes accurate predictions, and has been peer-reviewed by others to ensure accuracy, and authenticity.
Furthermore, "theory" does not equate to "we do not know"... and constantly repeating the expression will not make it so.
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