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Old 29th June 2009, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Hentenza View Post
Lies about science? Oh pleeeeeze!!!!! Kids are taught about God which is what Sunday school is designed to do. It would be counterproductive to teach kids any kind of lies since they will be taught science in due time anyway. There is no indoctrination contrary to your broad brush opinion.
Yes, lies about science. Such as:
"Scientists say you come from a rock,"
"Punculated Equilibrium means that a lizard gives birth to a bird."
"There are no transitional fossils."
"Speciation has never been observed."
etc., etc.

Is it counterproductive to teach lies because they would learn science in due time? Yes and no. There are a number of former creationists here who have written of how they became disillusioned with creationism after they learned how they had been lied to. Many more, however, simply dismiss whatever they learn about evolution, because they were taught already that to believe any of it meant rejecting God. In many cases they are never taught about evolution in school because of local pressure not to teach any of it, anyway.
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Old 29th June 2009, 01:36 PM
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Is it counterproductive to teach lies because they would learn science in due time? Yes and no. There are a number of former creationists here who have written of how they became disillusioned with creationism after they learned how they had been lied to. Many more, however, simply dismiss whatever they learn about evolution, because they were taught already that to believe any of it meant rejecting God. In many cases they are never taught about evolution in school because of local pressure not to teach any of it, anyway.
and how is not counterproductive when you teach them evolution theories instead of scientific facts?
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Originally Posted by Philothei View Post
and how is not counterproductive when you teach them evolution theories instead of scientific facts?
In science, a theory is as much of a fact that you can get outside of mathematics. The old "it's just a theory" canard is stupid beyond words.
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Old 29th June 2009, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Philothei View Post
and how is not counterproductive when you teach them evolution theories instead of scientific facts?
Are you trying to say that you've got better credentials than so much people that studied years on the subject? If so, present them.

If not, why should we actually believe you over said people? (hint: we shouldn't and no, I do not think you have any credentials)
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Originally Posted by Philothei View Post
and how is not counterproductive when you teach them evolution theories instead of scientific facts?
What is an "evolution theory" vs. "evolution scientific fact?" Facts are just data... they mean nothing without a theory that makes use of them to explain natural phenomena. Evolution is as much a "fact" in the colloquial sense, as gravity is.
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The old "it's just a theory" canard is stupid beyond words.
If it was a medical experimental drug or procedure would you like to be the recipient for that? If you say yes it is still your choice. Why should then "experiment" with telling theories to our kids? The old atage stands true as science is not ...if science is not proven.
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Old 29th June 2009, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Philothei View Post
If it was a medical experimental drug or procedure would you like to be the recipient for that? If you say yes it is still your choice. Why should then "experiment" with telling theories to our kids? The old atage stands true as science is not ...if science is not proven.
In science, we do not "prove" anything. That is reserved for mathematics. If we did not teach theories in science, what would we teach? You are not making much sense.
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Originally Posted by Philothei View Post
and how is not counterproductive when you teach them evolution theories instead of scientific facts?
Evolution is a fact. It has been directly observed.

Unlike the baseless bile that the dogma of Creationism spouts.
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Again: please present us your credentials. How long have you studied any field related to evolution?
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