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Lies about science? Oh pleeeeeze!!!!! Kids are taught about God which is what Sunday school is designed to do. It would be counterproductive to teach kids any kind of lies since they will be taught science in due time anyway. There is no indoctrination contrary to your broad brush opinion.
Yes, lies about science. Such as:
"Scientists say you come from a rock,"
"Punculated Equilibrium means that a lizard gives birth to a bird."
"There are no transitional fossils."
"Speciation has never been observed."
etc., etc.
Is it counterproductive to teach lies because they would learn science in due time? Yes and no. There are a number of former creationists here who have written of how they became disillusioned with creationism after they learned how they had been lied to. Many more, however, simply dismiss whatever they learn about evolution, because they were taught already that to believe any of it meant rejecting God. In many cases they are never taught about evolution in school because of local pressure not to teach any of it, anyway.
__________________ “The biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense." -Bishop John Shelby Spong
"It is not the obligation of the State to reconcile various faiths with reality. Do it yourself." -Atomweaver
"We have designed our civilization based on science and technology and at the same time arranged things so that almost no one understands anything at all about science and technology. This is a clear prescription for disaster."
- Carl Sagan (Demon Haunted World)
Is it counterproductive to teach lies because they would learn science in due time? Yes and no. There are a number of former creationists here who have written of how they became disillusioned with creationism after they learned how they had been lied to. Many more, however, simply dismiss whatever they learn about evolution, because they were taught already that to believe any of it meant rejecting God. In many cases they are never taught about evolution in school because of local pressure not to teach any of it, anyway.
and how is not counterproductive when you teach them evolution theories instead of scientific facts?
__________________ No one on this earth can avoid affliction; and although the
afflictions which the Lord sends are not great men imagine them
beyond their strength and are crushed by them. This is because
they will not humble their souls and commit themselves to the will
of God. But the Lord Himself guides with His grace those who are
given over to God's will, and they bear all things with fortitude
for the sake of God Whom they have so loved and with Whom they are
glorified for ever. It is impossible to escape tribulation in this
world but the man who is giver over to the will of God bears
tribulation easily, seeing it but putting his trust in the Lord,
and so his tribulations pass.
and how is not counterproductive when you teach them evolution theories instead of scientific facts?
What is an "evolution theory" vs. "evolution scientific fact?" Facts are just data... they mean nothing without a theory that makes use of them to explain natural phenomena. Evolution is as much a "fact" in the colloquial sense, as gravity is.
__________________ “The biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense." -Bishop John Shelby Spong
"It is not the obligation of the State to reconcile various faiths with reality. Do it yourself." -Atomweaver
"We have designed our civilization based on science and technology and at the same time arranged things so that almost no one understands anything at all about science and technology. This is a clear prescription for disaster."
- Carl Sagan (Demon Haunted World)
The old "it's just a theory" canard is stupid beyond words.
If it was a medical experimental drug or procedure would you like to be the recipient for that? If you say yes it is still your choice. Why should then "experiment" with telling theories to our kids? The old atage stands true as science is not ...if science is not proven.
__________________ No one on this earth can avoid affliction; and although the
afflictions which the Lord sends are not great men imagine them
beyond their strength and are crushed by them. This is because
they will not humble their souls and commit themselves to the will
of God. But the Lord Himself guides with His grace those who are
given over to God's will, and they bear all things with fortitude
for the sake of God Whom they have so loved and with Whom they are
glorified for ever. It is impossible to escape tribulation in this
world but the man who is giver over to the will of God bears
tribulation easily, seeing it but putting his trust in the Lord,
and so his tribulations pass.
If it was a medical experimental drug or procedure would you like to be the recipient for that? If you say yes it is still your choice. Why should then "experiment" with telling theories to our kids? The old atage stands true as science is not ...if science is not proven.
In science, we do not "prove" anything. That is reserved for mathematics. If we did not teach theories in science, what would we teach? You are not making much sense.
__________________ “The biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense." -Bishop John Shelby Spong
"It is not the obligation of the State to reconcile various faiths with reality. Do it yourself." -Atomweaver
"We have designed our civilization based on science and technology and at the same time arranged things so that almost no one understands anything at all about science and technology. This is a clear prescription for disaster."
- Carl Sagan (Demon Haunted World)
and how is not counterproductive when you teach them evolution theories instead of scientific facts?
Evolution is a fact. It has been directly observed.
Unlike the baseless bile that the dogma of Creationism spouts.
__________________
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." Galileo Galilei
"Telling me the ToE is wrong is like telling a car mechanic
the internal combustion engine runs on magic."- Blayz
The POINT of Creationism, from an honest Creationist
"And yes, to prove evolution is wrong does not mean creation is right. But, the goal is just that, to prove evolution is wrong. Nothing else."
-juvenissun
Sure it has.... still trying to find the connection I suppose between monkeys and human
__________________ No one on this earth can avoid affliction; and although the
afflictions which the Lord sends are not great men imagine them
beyond their strength and are crushed by them. This is because
they will not humble their souls and commit themselves to the will
of God. But the Lord Himself guides with His grace those who are
given over to God's will, and they bear all things with fortitude
for the sake of God Whom they have so loved and with Whom they are
glorified for ever. It is impossible to escape tribulation in this
world but the man who is giver over to the will of God bears
tribulation easily, seeing it but putting his trust in the Lord,
and so his tribulations pass.
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