But the current “zeitgeist” seems to favor campaigners’ arguments. This year has seen renewed debate about art restitution with major museums under increasing pressure to return artifacts to their countries of origin. Both Greece and Italy have received antiquities from the Los Angeles J. Paul Getty Museum and New York’s Metropolitan Museum of Art after the pieces were shown to have been “improperly acquired.”
But these artifacts had been relatively recent acquisitions. Proving the ownership of antiquities spirited away from their original locations centuries ago is another matter, experts say. There is no legal framework to support restitution claims in such cases.
The Parthenon marbles were obtained illegally they should be returned to Greece rightfully.
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If the brits hadn't had the decency to steal these, the greeks would probably have chopped them down into raw material for tourist trinkets by now.
A thank you note should at least be offered.
I thought it was Thomas Bruce, 7th Earl of Elgin who bought them from the Ottoman Empire to prevent their destruction by neglect?
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If the brits hadn't had the decency to steal these, the greeks would probably have chopped them down into raw material for tourist trinkets by now.
A thank you note should at least be offered.
yeah sure you can say what you want but the Greeks kept all other antinquities...why they would have a problem with that??? What you say sorry to say has not too much value. All Athens is full of aniquities we discover every time we re-built something. Example our recent excavations due to the Metro... and thus our beautiful displays in the Metro stations all over Athens... Greece is a big Museum anyways no matter how many things were stolen we still are there...
After all Elgin could not take the whole Acropolis now could he?
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afflictions which the Lord sends are not great men imagine them
beyond their strength and are crushed by them. This is because
they will not humble their souls and commit themselves to the will
of God. But the Lord Himself guides with His grace those who are
given over to God's will, and they bear all things with fortitude
for the sake of God Whom they have so loved and with Whom they are
glorified for ever. It is impossible to escape tribulation in this
world but the man who is giver over to the will of God bears
tribulation easily, seeing it but putting his trust in the Lord,
and so his tribulations pass.
I thought it was Thomas Bruce, 7th Earl of Elgin who bought them from the Ottoman Empire to prevent their destruction by neglect?
Oh yeah like the Turks did not burn Acropolis? Or that is how the propaganda goes...Imagine Turks to care about our antiquities... rare...and spanky thought
No it was Elgin alright no Brit denies that . And history teaches he did it
The excuse was the fact "no museum" we had was good enough for them to give them back... I wonder sometiemes if they could house all these mummies from Egypt because they "could not take care of them" too? it sounds even more strange since the mummies survived 3,000 years in the pyramids why on earth they could not survive longer?
Another mystery about "perservation" ... After all the mummies have to be rpeserved in "artificial" envioronments in the museums they are currently hosting them.... Imagine to go to Egypt and have no mummies
But this is again about the Elgin marbles. No clue how another country can claim someone's else treasure
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beyond their strength and are crushed by them. This is because
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given over to God's will, and they bear all things with fortitude
for the sake of God Whom they have so loved and with Whom they are
glorified for ever. It is impossible to escape tribulation in this
world but the man who is giver over to the will of God bears
tribulation easily, seeing it but putting his trust in the Lord,
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People do not believe in the ten commandments any more.
So, possession is 9/10 of the law.
Rotten, I know.
That is what prescriptive easements are all about. Here in the USA if someone squats on another person's land for 5 years, he can claim it if he has also paid the taxes on it even if the owner has also paid taxes. Hey, the US government loves double taxation.
Needs it in fact. So they encourage squatters.
So, I guess the big question in a court of law is: How long have the British had possession of those marbles?
Morality is not the question. Possession is.
Again, it is rotten, but that is the law.
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Last edited by MariaRegina; 6th July 2009 at 06:26 AM.
Europe has no such laws... Possesion depends on means. If was a legal possesion it is okay. They did not pay for them thus they stole them. That is punishable by law. That is the reason countries do not demand all "legally" taken antiquities but rather those without any evidence of purchase. Land is comptetely different senario, here.
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afflictions which the Lord sends are not great men imagine them
beyond their strength and are crushed by them. This is because
they will not humble their souls and commit themselves to the will
of God. But the Lord Himself guides with His grace those who are
given over to God's will, and they bear all things with fortitude
for the sake of God Whom they have so loved and with Whom they are
glorified for ever. It is impossible to escape tribulation in this
world but the man who is giver over to the will of God bears
tribulation easily, seeing it but putting his trust in the Lord,
and so his tribulations pass.
__________________ Virgin Theotokos, rejoice!
O Mary, Full of Grace;
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
And blessed is the fruit of thy womb,
For thou hast borne the Savior of our souls.
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