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28th June 2009, 01:24 AM
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Is it time to return the Parthenon Marbles? | Arts diary poll | Culture | guardian.co.uk
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To read more : BUILDING A CASE FOR THE MARBLES : .................................... But the current “zeitgeist” seems to favor campaigners’ arguments. This year has seen renewed debate about art restitution with major museums under increasing pressure to return artifacts to their countries of origin. Both Greece and Italy have received antiquities from the Los Angeles J. Paul Getty Museum and New York’s Metropolitan Museum of Art after the pieces were shown to have been “improperly acquired.”
But these artifacts had been relatively recent acquisitions. Proving the ownership of antiquities spirited away from their original locations centuries ago is another matter, experts say. There is no legal framework to support restitution claims in such cases.
REad whole article here: The Parthenon Marbles (or Elgin Marbles) Restoration to Athens, Greece - Building a case for the Marbles The Parthenon Marbles (or Elgin Marbles) Restoration to Athens, Greece - The Case for the Return
The new Museum pics:
Congrats to Greece  New Greek museum wants Elgin marbles | Video | Reuters.com The Parthenon marbles were obtained illegally they should be returned to Greece rightfully. 
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5th July 2009, 03:18 PM
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A thank you note should at least be offered.
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5th July 2009, 07:51 PM
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A thank you note should at least be offered.
I thought it was Thomas Bruce, 7th Earl of Elgin who bought them from the Ottoman Empire to prevent their destruction by neglect?
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Reps: 18,572,085,511,231,920 (power: 18,572,085,511,242) | | Originally Posted by bigbadwilf I thought it was Thomas Bruce, 7th Earl of Elgin who bought them from the Ottoman Empire to prevent their destruction by neglect?
Yes, and then the British government forced Elgin to sell them to the government for a rather small sum (less than he paid for the marbles).
It is a rather dishonest affair all around.
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6th July 2009, 06:00 AM
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Reps: 5,726,193,625,421,512,704 (power: 5,726,193,625,421,558) | | Originally Posted by ArnautDaniel If the brits hadn't had the decency to steal these, the greeks would probably have chopped them down into raw material for tourist trinkets by now.
A thank you note should at least be offered.
yeah sure you can say what you want but the Greeks kept all other antinquities...why they would have a problem with that??? What you say sorry to say has not too much value. All Athens is full of aniquities we discover every time we re-built something. Example our recent excavations due to the Metro... and thus our beautiful displays in the Metro stations all over Athens... Greece is a big Museum anyways no matter how many things were stolen we still are there... 
After all Elgin could not take the whole Acropolis now could he? 
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6th July 2009, 06:07 AM
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Reps: 5,726,193,625,421,512,704 (power: 5,726,193,625,421,558) | | Originally Posted by bigbadwilf I thought it was Thomas Bruce, 7th Earl of Elgin who bought them from the Ottoman Empire to prevent their destruction by neglect?
Oh yeah like the Turks did not burn Acropolis? Or that is how the propaganda goes...Imagine Turks to care about our antiquities... rare...and spanky thought 
No it was Elgin alright no Brit denies that  . And history teaches he did it 
The excuse was the fact "no museum" we had was good enough for them to give them back... I wonder sometiemes if they could house all these mummies from Egypt because they "could not take care of them" too? it sounds even more strange since the mummies survived 3,000 years in the pyramids why on earth they could not survive longer?
Another mystery about "perservation" ... After all the mummies have to be rpeserved in "artificial" envioronments in the museums they are currently hosting them.... Imagine to go to Egypt and have no mummies 
But this is again about the Elgin marbles. No clue how another country can claim someone's else treasure 
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6th July 2009, 06:21 AM
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So, possession is 9/10 of the law.
Rotten, I know.
That is what prescriptive easements are all about. Here in the USA if someone squats on another person's land for 5 years, he can claim it if he has also paid the taxes on it even if the owner has also paid taxes. Hey, the US government loves double taxation.
Needs it in fact. So they encourage squatters.
So, I guess the big question in a court of law is: How long have the British had possession of those marbles?
Morality is not the question. Possession is.
Again, it is rotten, but that is the law.
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Reps: 5,726,193,625,421,512,704 (power: 5,726,193,625,421,558) | | | Europe has no such laws... Possesion depends on means. If was a legal possesion it is okay. They did not pay for them thus they stole them. That is punishable by law. That is the reason countries do not demand all "legally" taken antiquities but rather those without any evidence of purchase. Land is comptetely different senario, here.
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