I voted "other" because I want people to choose life. I want people to recognise the value of the unborn within them and feel confident that they will be supported in bringing the child into the world. I want them to feel fantastic about choosing life over death for the unborn baby.
But I also want us all to be compassionate with those who currently don't feel able to choose life. I want us to understand why they felt they could not. I don't want them to think we're standing there judging their action.
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I voted "other" because I want people to choose life. I want people to recognise the value of the unborn within them and feel confident that they will be supported in bringing the child into the world. I want them to feel fantastic about choosing life over death for the unborn baby.
But I also want us all to be compassionate with those who currently don't feel able to choose life. I want us to understand why they felt they could not. I don't want them to think we're standing there judging their action.
What about the mother who drown her children by putting them in a car and driving the car into a lake? Would you judge her?
__________________ “For neither does he [the Devil] seek those whom he has already subdued, nor does he take the trouble to overthrow those whom he has already made his own. The foe and enemy of the Church despises and passes by those whom he has alienated from the Church, and led without as captives and conquered; he goes on to harass those in whom he sees Christ dwell.” – Saint Cyprian (Epistle 56) Pope Benedict XVI is innocent
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I think she needs help rather than judgement. What mental state must she have been in to do that? No, I would not judge her.
Then at least you are consistant. Would you feel that you should opt out if you were called to jury duty for this or a similar case?
__________________ “For neither does he [the Devil] seek those whom he has already subdued, nor does he take the trouble to overthrow those whom he has already made his own. The foe and enemy of the Church despises and passes by those whom he has alienated from the Church, and led without as captives and conquered; he goes on to harass those in whom he sees Christ dwell.” – Saint Cyprian (Epistle 56) Pope Benedict XVI is innocent
Well I'm in the UK so things work a bit differently over here - we don't have opt outs, so it's not something I have ever really thought of. I don't know - maybe I would opt out if given the choice, or maybe I would opt in so I could try to help her (though I'm not sure how). Over here we also have verdicts of "diminished responsibility" which basically means someone is not in full control of their thoughts and actions - I would imagine that would be quite likely to apply in this case.
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Luke 10:27 (Love God Above All, And Your Neighbor as yourself) And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Matthew 7:12 (Do unto others)
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Matthew 5:43-48 (Pray for those that persecute you)
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Luke 6:27-29 (Love your enemies.)
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
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Well I'm in the UK so things work a bit differently over here - we don't have opt outs, so it's not something I have ever really thought of. I don't know - maybe I would opt out if given the choice, or maybe I would opt in so I could try to help her (though I'm not sure how). Over here we also have verdicts of "dimished responsibility" which basically means someone is not in full control of their thoughts and actions - I would imagine that would be quite likely to apply in this case.
Hi Michael96
I've been to the UK before, to Milfordhaven Wales in 1994. Anyway, I was thinking about it more, and I think I should have been more specific in my question about the timing. So I will ask this.
If you knew that a woman hadn't gone through with it yet but was about to get an abortion what would you say to her? In the same way, what would you say to a woman who you knew hadn't gone through with it yet but was about to drown her children by putting them into a car and sending the car into a lake?
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__________________ “For neither does he [the Devil] seek those whom he has already subdued, nor does he take the trouble to overthrow those whom he has already made his own. The foe and enemy of the Church despises and passes by those whom he has alienated from the Church, and led without as captives and conquered; he goes on to harass those in whom he sees Christ dwell.” – Saint Cyprian (Epistle 56) Pope Benedict XVI is innocent
I think I would "ask" rather then "tell" her things - I would try to find out why she felt she needed to kill a child and see if there was anything we could do to remove that cause. If we didn't do that and only tried to forcibly stop her then I would think she would simply wait to find another opportunity.
But, what I think may be at the bottom of this, the difference between you and me, is that while I am sure we both want "Thy kingdom come, thy will be come on earth as it is in heaven" I do not see criminalisation of non-heavenly acts (for want of a better phrase) as necessarily the best way forward.
Assuming that these terms mean what they usually mean I voted pro-life (and I can't have babies either, but I can, and have, helped make them so it's reasonable to assume that I can have an opinion on the matter).
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Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. - Romans 6:13
I am just wondering how many of our liberal Catholics on here are pro-choice or pro-life? Please vote in my poll.
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