Hi everyone. I am just wondering how many of our liberal Catholics on here are pro-choice or pro-life? Please vote in my poll.
OH and I love you all regardless of whether you have a position that I vehemently disagree with or not.
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"The second commandment of the teaching: You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not seduce boys. You shall not commit fornication. You shall not steal. You shall not practice magic. You shall not use potions. You shall not procure [an] abortion, nor destroy a newborn child" (Didache 2:12 [A.D. 70]).
I voted "other" because I want people to choose life. I want people to recognise the value of the unborn within them and feel confident that they will be supported in bringing the child into the world. I want them to feel fantastic about choosing life over death for the unborn baby.
But I also want us all to be compassionate with those who currently don't feel able to choose life. I want us to understand why they felt they could not. I don't want them to think we're standing there judging their action.
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I voted "other" because I want people to choose life. I want people to recognise the value of the unborn within them and feel confident that they will be supported in bringing the child into the world. I want them to feel fantastic about choosing life over death for the unborn baby.
But I also want us all to be compassionate with those who currently don't feel able to choose life. I want us to understand why they felt they could not. I don't want them to think we're standing there judging their action.
What about the mother who drown her children by putting them in a car and driving the car into a lake? Would you judge her?
__________________ "The moral gravity of procured abortion is apparent in all its truth if we recognize that we are dealing with murder" - Pope John Paul II, Evangelium Vitae, par. 58
"Particular law remaining in force, the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites." -Vatican II, Sacrosanctum Concilium, par. 36
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I think she needs help rather than judgement. What mental state must she have been in to do that? No, I would not judge her.
Then at least you are consistant. Would you feel that you should opt out if you were called to jury duty for this or a similar case?
__________________ "The moral gravity of procured abortion is apparent in all its truth if we recognize that we are dealing with murder" - Pope John Paul II, Evangelium Vitae, par. 58
"Particular law remaining in force, the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites." -Vatican II, Sacrosanctum Concilium, par. 36
Well I'm in the UK so things work a bit differently over here - we don't have opt outs, so it's not something I have ever really thought of. I don't know - maybe I would opt out if given the choice, or maybe I would opt in so I could try to help her (though I'm not sure how). Over here we also have verdicts of "diminished responsibility" which basically means someone is not in full control of their thoughts and actions - I would imagine that would be quite likely to apply in this case.
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Well I'm in the UK so things work a bit differently over here - we don't have opt outs, so it's not something I have ever really thought of. I don't know - maybe I would opt out if given the choice, or maybe I would opt in so I could try to help her (though I'm not sure how). Over here we also have verdicts of "dimished responsibility" which basically means someone is not in full control of their thoughts and actions - I would imagine that would be quite likely to apply in this case.
Hi Michael96
I've been to the UK before, to Milfordhaven Wales in 1994. Anyway, I was thinking about it more, and I think I should have been more specific in my question about the timing. So I will ask this.
If you knew that a woman hadn't gone through with it yet but was about to get an abortion what would you say to her? In the same way, what would you say to a woman who you knew hadn't gone through with it yet but was about to drown her children by putting them into a car and sending the car into a lake?
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__________________ "The moral gravity of procured abortion is apparent in all its truth if we recognize that we are dealing with murder" - Pope John Paul II, Evangelium Vitae, par. 58
"Particular law remaining in force, the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites." -Vatican II, Sacrosanctum Concilium, par. 36
I think I would "ask" rather then "tell" her things - I would try to find out why she felt she needed to kill a child and see if there was anything we could do to remove that cause. If we didn't do that and only tried to forcibly stop her then I would think she would simply wait to find another opportunity.
But, what I think may be at the bottom of this, the difference between you and me, is that while I am sure we both want "Thy kingdom come, thy will be come on earth as it is in heaven" I do not see criminalisation of non-heavenly acts (for want of a better phrase) as necessarily the best way forward.
Assuming that these terms mean what they usually mean I voted pro-life (and I can't have babies either, but I can, and have, helped make them so it's reasonable to assume that I can have an opinion on the matter).
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I am just wondering how many of our liberal Catholics on here are pro-choice or pro-life? Please vote in my poll.
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