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View Poll Results: Are you pro-choice or pro-life?
I am pro-choice. 11 23.40%
I am pro-life. 25 53.19%
Other. 11 23.40%
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Old 11th September 2009, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by fragmentsofdreams View Post
I view things similarly. Abortions aren't the core problem. The circumstances that cause women to feel the need for abortions are the core problem. Banning abortion is not a good in itself. If it primarily leads to women seeking dangerous illegal abortions, it would be a net evil. The pro-life movement reminds me of the temperance movement at the beginning of the Twentieth Century. Seeing something evil, they seek a ban without regard of what the actual consequences. After forty years, a single-minded pursuit of banning abortion has left many so wedded to the Republican Party that they blind themselves to all other evils. Instead of resulting in a ban on abortion, this has produced an unjust war and open support for torture.
Yep and that is incredibly sad. Personally, I don't know if I'm going to stay pro-choice or not. I may very well go back to being pro-life.
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Old 12th September 2009, 12:31 AM
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First, I should say that I'm not currently Catholic, but am considering returning to the Catholic Church.
I voted pro-life. I'm pretty connected to the issue as one, I was born before Roe v. Wade, and placed for adoption. So, I have to wonder if I was conceived a few years later, what would have happened. Second, I was a pregnant college freshman about 22 years ago and felt that the right thing to do was to have the baby and place her for adoption...so that's what I did. I still feel it was the right thing to do. Finally, I'm also a mom now, of two wonderful little guys.

I support a pro-life center here in my town, and I try to make myself available to talk to others about the adoption process from the perspective of a birth mom.

I also consider myself as pro-life in other areas...e.g., I'm anti-death penalty and pretty anti-war. I even think that my pro-life views extend to my eating, and are part of the reason I'm vegan. I try to live my life in a way that minimizes suffering.

That being said, I don't feel I'm called to act in a legislative way. I think the best way to reduce abortions is to help people get access to the resources they need to either go the adoption route or to be able to raise their children. This includes private charities and government programs like universal healthcare.
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Originally Posted by athansor View Post
First, I should say that I'm not currently Catholic, but am considering returning to the Catholic Church.
I voted pro-life. I'm pretty connected to the issue as one, I was born before Roe v. Wade, and placed for adoption. So, I have to wonder if I was conceived a few years later, what would have happened. Second, I was a pregnant college freshman about 22 years ago and felt that the right thing to do was to have the baby and place her for adoption...so that's what I did. I still feel it was the right thing to do. Finally, I'm also a mom now, of two wonderful little guys.

I support a pro-life center here in my town, and I try to make myself available to talk to others about the adoption process from the perspective of a birth mom.

I also consider myself as pro-life in other areas...e.g., I'm anti-death penalty and pretty anti-war. I even think that my pro-life views extend to my eating, and are part of the reason I'm vegan. I try to live my life in a way that minimizes suffering.

That being said, I don't feel I'm called to act in a legislative way. I think the best way to reduce abortions is to help people get access to the resources they need to either go the adoption route or to be able to raise their children. This includes private charities and government programs like universal healthcare.
I'm strongly in favor of pro-life centers to help women considering abortions explore other options. My only condition is that they should always be completely honest and never fudge things even if they suspect that doing so may convince someone to not have an abortion. Our power as moral authorities depends on the ability of people to trust us. Too often, we can fall into the temptation of cutting corners for what we see as the greater good, and we end up putting a cause ahead of God.
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I voted "Other".

I am mostly pro-life on the subjects of abortion, death penalty, artificial insemination, and biomedical research while I am mostly pro-choice on the subject of euthanasia.

On abortion specifically, in principle I am pro-life. I do not however support the immediate and complete ban of it, but I do see this as a future target after progressive accomplishments.

I demand that a country that wants abortion to become illegal again provides cultural and social guarantees that no pregnancy would be "undesired", which is simply the reason why someone may choose an abortion.

This certainly would cost a lot of money, however I believe that if a country or people as a whole is not willing to make an economical sacrifice for this, then its wish for an abortion ban is hypocritical because it's set at a lower level of importance compared to money.
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Originally Posted by greg300 View Post
I personally have a lot of problems with the 'pro-life' and 'pro-choice' dichotomy. I think overall, the abortion debate has become too polarised in emotional terms and also the rhetoric on either side is all too often based not on a rational analysis of the ethical issues but rather on a sort of World War I trench-style battlefield; either side fires everything it has at the other and always refuses to give an inch of ground to the other.
This is exactly how I think.

Originally Posted by greg300 View Post
I think pro-lifers have often gone too far in their attempts to have abortion banned, to the point of even making appointments of judges a political affair. In my view, there are far more important considerations to the fitness of a political candidate for their office than their stance on legal abortion.
And this is where it gets tricky! If you don't vote pro-life all the way then you're a hypocrite and don't you dare call yourself a Christian

Originally Posted by greg300 View Post
On the other hand, I think the liberalisation of abortion has presented a lot of problems. Abortion seems to be often done 'on demand' and fetuses seem to be aborted very frequently, often because they appear to have some defect or disability. In other cases, abortion is all too often used as the 'contraceptive of last resort.' I think it is highly questionable that the unborn should be dispensed with so recklessly, and when a new human life comes into existence, it is all too often seen as just a 'burden' or as something 'inconvienient' and to be discarded if it interferes too much with one's own life. I also think the view that a fetus is just like an organ, like an appendix, and can be regarded morally as such is also not morally acceptable.
And I agree here as well! It makes me wonder if anyone bothered to use contraception in the first place-- after all if you're going to do the deed, you probably already know what the consequences are. It makes me wonder what most women are doing what they get abortions-- are they getting it because they didn't think through their decisions? Did they get raped? Are their lives at stake if they were to carry the pregnancy and give birth? I feel like many of the women don't think through with their actions from the beginning and see getting an abortion as "their right"

Originally Posted by greg300 View Post
I think the best way to proceed is to try and minimise and reduce the number of abortions. Like banning nuclear weapons, getting rid of abortion will take time and also an effort to change the entrenched cultures which convince politicians and others that abortion is something that is right in many situations.

I think this can be done in a number of ways, including offering better social and economic support to mothers tempted to abort their child for fear of poverty, recrimination or social discrimination, by trying to change the laws which permit abortion, and also changing social attitudes which often see relationships and sex as a casual and private matter and regard pregnancy as an unwanted burden. Better relationship frameworks for sexual relationships and procreation of children in those relationships need to be developed by all churches, and should be integrated into the life and liturgy of the church. I think it would help greatly if sex was celebrated more, as a great good, in the context and framework of Christian marriage, and young people were strongly inculcated in instruction in good sexual morality integrated with an intellectually and theologically sound and mature approach to their dignity and personality, with an emphasis on forming healthy and loving relationships with each other.

I think then the best way to deal with abortion is to try and restore the broken institution of marriage to society. I think by reducing the levels of divorce and by encouraging people not married to move out of that situation into wedlock, should help reduce the attraction of transient relationships and causal sex. Combined with counselling and outreach to pregnant women considering abortion, and a positive attempt to change the mindset of society and politicians generally through the democratic process, I think a lot of progress can be made to reduce the number of abortions to as low a number of possible.
I agree with you so much!

I also wanted to add another thing here-- I have to say (and this may sound judgmental) that I believe the majority of women who get abortions probably get them for selfish reasons. Okay before someone blasts off on me, there was a time where I was heavily involved in discussion with a facebook group about abortion where there were so many young women who simply said "I had an abortion and I don't feel bad about anything at all" or "it's my right and I have control over my own body", along with equating an unborn baby with the likeness of a parasite and listing the "health dangers" of pregnancy as if you were walking into a uranium-filled room. I think one of the biggest things here is that women have been taught to regard pregnancy as a burden, as disgusting, as something that will only impede upon your life instead of enhancing it in some way.

I'm still in college. When I tell people that I am willing to push back getting advanced degrees in order to have a family first (yes, I am conservative in regards to that) you should see the glazed over, vacant looks of "wow she's going to ruin her life" even though I am married! Honestly, women are being taught that they can have a lackadaisical attitude towards sex and an even worse attitude towards pregnancy.
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Easily pro life. I'll never understand how anybody would support the pro choice stance. A life is a life. Everybody deserves a chance. Except of course not people like Hitler, but that's a debate of a philosophical nature.
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Even being a lesbian activist, I was pro-life. I mean, I didn't get involved with any pro-life groups because I was terrified of conservative Christians but I avoided the pro-choice discussions. I think it's really strange how many lesbians are vehemently pro-choice, it's not like we're going to end up getting accidentally pregnant from our girlfriend! What's our stake in this? It's just become a feminist shibboleth and people are distanced from the reality, everyone wants a label -- "pro-choice" or "pro-life". But we need to focus on the reality, not the rhetoric.

I don't understand the "I think abortion is murder but..." stance. You either think it's murder or you don't. If you do, then there's no excuse. If I had a friend who murdered her 6 year old daughter because she felt she couldn't afford to keep her or didn't want to be a single mother or for whatever reason she had, I would certainly not say it should be legal or that's it's her own personal decision! This mindset I don't understand. It's either murder or it's not, it's not both murder and okay!

There are stories of women who tried to get a second or third-term non-surgical abortion and ended up giving birth to a live baby. I've read accounts of those babies growing up and becoming pro-life activists. I couldn't imagine them becoming pro-choice.

I told a girl at work about the movie "Revolutionary Road" with Leonardo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet (based on a 1961 book by Richard Yates). I didn't know much of what it was about, we had seen a preview before another movie and thought it looked interesting so we watched it on Netflix on-demand. Anyway, I had no idea it was going to be about abortion. It was very troubling but I think it is something that we don't talk about. I mean, everybody labels themselves "pro-choice" or "pro-life" but we don't actually see representations of people going through it.

My mother was pressured into getting an abortion in high school by her parents, they threatened to kick her out. She still feels guilty about it more than 30 years later. Many women are pushed into it by boyfriends, husbands or parents. It's really a mess. I've never been pregnant and I'm glad because I don't know what sort of decisions I would have made. It's just so sad when you see some women trying really hard to get pregnant or who know they can't have kids and other women having abortions. If only people would choose adoption, then both women can be happy!

One friend of mine just had a baby a couple weeks ago and another is trying to get pregnant. I know my life isn't really together enough to be a mother yet but neither could I destroy a life growing in me. The whole situation is very sad. I know I have a brother in Heaven and I pray that he will pray for my mom so she can feel at peace finally and know that he forgives her.

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I voted "other" for the simple reason that what I believe cannot be categorized by two polar opposites.

I am 99% pro-life. However, I can see that there are exceptions to the rule. Unlike the taking of life in normal circumstances, with abortion:
1. The embryo is not a fully formed human
2. The "life" is taking place inside someone else's body.

Whilst I do not believe that having an abortion for selfish, self-centered reasons is ever excusable, I do believe that, where a woman's life would be at risk from carrying a child to term, she has a right to protect her own life. In these circumstances, I do not believe that it would be wrong for her to procure an abortion at a very early stage of pregnancy - i.e. when the "life" is still at an embryonic stage.

There are medical conditions which exist that would give a woman some idea of what might happen to her if she were ever to get pregnant and carry a child to term. I have one of these conditions, myself. I just thank the Lord every day that I have never in the 5 years since I've had this condition, been in a position where I was pregnant.

I've suffered all the other hardships of pregnancy when I was younger (before I developed this medical condition). The humiliation of not being able to support my children financially, the humiliation of knowing that I was likely to produce a handicapped child (which I subsequently did), the humiliation of being homeless with small chlidren. I suffered all that and was never tempted to have an abortion. But, when I realised that I would probably die if I attempted to carry another pregnancy to term - that made me re-evaluate my beliefs.
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I voted Pro-Life though I prefer abortion to be legal and safe for those that feel they need that option.
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