also if a non Christian would attempt to cast out a demon, they would be attacked by that demon, and overpowered. atleast from what I understand in scripture.
Hmm thats true. That pharasee really got womped on
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the above scripture totaly disproves the self proclaimed hersey hunters theology, besides I don't know of any hersey hunter that cast out demons. they just sell books for profit. and cause division in the body of Christ.
also if a non Christian would attempt to cast out a demon, they would be attacked by that demon, and overpowered. at least from what I understand in scripture.
Yeah, that was the first thing I looked up. The Seven Sons of Sceva in Acts 19, and it supports the idea that they could not cast out the demons, because they did not belong to Christ.
I would say that most likely, these men really believed that they had done these things . . .though we know they could not have, they deluded themselves into believing that they were working signs and wonders (in whatever capacity). Either way the issue is that they failed to do the will of the Father and instead, probably tried to exploit His power for their own gain . . .but I'd like to offer a more solid argument as I continue to think about this. . .to determine whether or not we can really resume that there was no manifestation of said signs and wonders. That is the poart I am struggling with, whether or not there was a manifestation of some sort and these men were just deceived or that they are just liars.
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Yeah, that was the first thing I looked up. The Seven Sons of Sceva in Acts 19, and it supports the idea that they could not cast out the demons, because they did not belong to Christ.
I would say that most likely, these men really believed that they had done these things . . .though we know they could not have, they deluded themselves into believing that they were working signs and wonders (in whatever capacity). Either way the issue is that they failed to do the will of the Father and instead, probably tried to exploit His power for their own gain . . .but I'd like to offer a more solid argument as I continue to think about this. . .to determine whether or not we can really resume that there was no manifestation of said signs and wonders. That is the poart I am struggling with, whether or not there was a manifestation of some sort and these men were just deceived or that they are just liars.
I understand, but I do not believe there was any actual casting out a demon, or works in Jesus Name performed by them.
They probably had a head knowledge about Jesus or a theological understanding, but they were void of the Holy Spirit.
and I believe the harmony of scripture will show that without Jesus in you, you do not have authority to do the Fathers will, ie heal the sick cast out devils, in the Name of Jesus.
another words with out belonging to the Fathers kingdom, you do not have kingdom authority.
and supplanter when I use the word you, you know I am not reffering to you.
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Reason: to clear up the word you, used.
I understand, but I do not believe there was any actual casting out a demon, or works in Jesus Name performed by them.
They probably had a head knowledge about Jesus or a theological understanding, but they were void of the Holy Spirit.
and I believe the harmony of scripture will show that without Jesus in you, you do not have authority to do the Fathers will, ie heal the sick cast out devils, in the Name of Jesus.
another words with out belonging to the Fathers kingdom, you do not have kingdom authority.
and supplanter when I use the word you, you know I am not reffering to you.
lol. yes, I understood that was a general you. Not to worry. I am not easily offended. I agree with you. I just feel like I need to make a more solid argument to present to other people. I need to figure out how to explain it, so someone who doesn't see that, understands and so that I have it in my heart and mind, because I never looked at it in that way before now. Well, maybe I did, but I then I went on to presume that they must have done those things, which was a fallacy.
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And can someone actually 'hunt heresy' without having ammunition?
of course anyone can misquote people and take what they say out of context, of what they actually said.
people do it all the time, with the Word of God.
example, Pauls suffering was a sickness
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I agree with you. I just feel like I need to make a more solid argument to present to other people. I need to figure out how to explain it, so someone who doesn't see that, understands and so that I have it in my heart and mind, because I never looked at it in that way before now. Well, maybe I did, but I then I went on to presume that they must have done those things, which was a fallacy. 
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