Why Are People on this Forum so Venomous?

razzelflabben · #**611** 3rd November 2009, 05:15 PM

Elman, at this point in this discussion I have been convinced that you are too convinced of your own intelligence to listen to me, the bible, God, the HS or anyone else...for this reason, this is the last post I will be making to you unless you can offer something that 1. resembles understanding of what has been said and shown or 2. something of clarification for your point of view. Anything else will be read and ignored as more of your opinion and not God's authority.

Originally Posted by elman

Correct--love more.

more lots of things...

Not according to Matt 25:31 and following.

yes according to Matt. 25 and following just as you have been shown in that very famous passage that you seem to think only you can understand....

Progress is good.
.Only by grace not in your actually loving perfectly as God does.

only by God's "acts of compassion" (your definition of love) now when this came up before, I asked you what acts of compassion from God and you refused to answer. If as you stated that grace is love and love is acts of compassion, then what acts of compassion does God give us that is perfect love, a love we cannot duplicate...it's questions designed to try to figure out what you really believe, so give it a shot, answer the question, what acts of compassion does God give us that are perfect but we cannot duplicate? This is something I would come back for, something I long to understand about your theology...if God's love is perfect and complete, what is that love (acts of compassion) that man is not capable of? Please, please answer the questions!!!!

I SAID NOTHING ABOUT EARNING SALVATION.

you haven't even told me yet how to be saved using your own words, your own interpretation. So far the best you have offered to the question, "What must I do to be saved" is what not to do unless you want to go to hell. Like a one way ticket to hell, but no ticket to heaven idea...so again, I beg you to answer this question...what according to your theology and in your own words, must I do to be saved?

No freely chose does not go with being compelled to do something at gun point.
???????

try again...opps, sorry, this is the end of the discussion for me unless you offer something substancial.

Right and compell is more about force than it is choice.

compel is motivation, not force and not a robot response, but that is something you will have to discover on your own....we are all compelled to behave the way we do, so another question I have asked that I am "dieing" (figurative not literally) to have answered, is what compels you to do the things you do and not to do the things you do not do? What compels Elman?

Your defintion of compell had force in it.

You are never God's robot.

Praise the Lord for that, someday you really must figure out that to be compelled by something does not equal being it's robot...

Mybe you should reread since it is not something llike that.

Reread it still don't agree with you that you can love others perfectly.

I can't, the God in me can and it is a God that equips me, compels me, empowers me, lives through me, so unless you are calling God imperfect, you are wrong.

, You are using it that way.

The choice at gunpoint is to be shot. That is no choice.

sure it is a choice, do you not know what a martyr is?

No sometimes is not what we are talking about. We are talking about all the time without exaception and without any possibility of it having been done better.

that isn't what I said, in fact, I specifically typed, when I am living IN the Spirit vs. when I am living in the flesh....that means that sometimes my love is perfect and complete and sometimes I am living in the flesh and my love is inperfect and imcomplete...

That is what the Good Samaritan was doing. That is what you and I are doing when we show compassion for others.

what? Loving perfectly, when the love is the extreme love of I Cor. 13, coming from God not self, the love is indeed perfect and complete, when it isn't, when it is nothing more than a compassionate act, when it comes from self not God, it is imperfect and incomplete.

No you are just forgiven.
I am forgiven and being saved...I am compeled by the HS within and learning to live in that Spirit rather than the flesh.

God is perfect. You are not and you are never God.
I am so glad I can never be God, I wouldn't want the job...

Yes Bingo--so you were never perfect and complete in the past because you could have and now have improved.

I now and learning to live in the Spirit and that is improvement over before when I was living in the flesh for self alone...does that somehow surprise you since I have said it many many many times now?

??? So you say, but not what the bible says. Are you saying the Good Samaritan had the power and might of Jesus when he helped the man?

Close enough....please do offer if nothing else, some answers to the questions above.

elman · #**612** 4th November 2009, 11:57 AM

Elman, at this point in this discussion I have been convinced that you are too convinced of your own intelligence to listen to me, the bible, God, the HS or anyone else...

We have for a long time disagreed on what the Bible is saying and what the will of God is based on the Bible. Why do you assume that anyone who disagrees with you is too convinced of their own intelligence? Maybe it is you that is too convinced of your own intelligence.

for this reason, this is the last post I will be making to you unless you can offer something that 1. resembles understanding of what has been said and shown or 2. something of clarification for your point of view. Anything else will be read and ignored as more of your opinion and not God's authority.

I agree we have beat this dead horse far too long.

Originally Posted by elman
Correct--love more.

more lots of things...

No just more love, for God is love.

Not according to Matt 25:31 and following.
yes according to Matt. 25 and following just as you have been shown in that very famous passage that you seem to think only you can understand....

You have said this passage does not say what it clearly says, but you have not show why you are correct.

Progress is good.

.Only by grace not in your actually loving perfectly as God does.
only by God's "acts of compassion" (your definition of love) now when this came up before, I asked you what acts of compassion from God and you refused to answer.

Simply not true. God's acts of compassion are in the grace and forgiveness that we must have to avoid eternal death.

If as you stated that grace is love and love is acts of compassion, then what acts of compassion does God give us that is perfect love, a love we cannot duplicate...

See above.

tions designed to try to figure out what you really believe, so give it a shot, answer the question, what acts of compassion does God give us that are perfect but we cannot duplicate?

One of them is recreating us spiritually when we have killed our own soul with our own sin.

This is something I would come back for, something I long to understand about your theology...if God's love is perfect and complete, what is that love (acts of compassion) that man is not capable of? Please, please answer the questions!!!!

Done many times. Now I have done it againl.

I SAID NOTHING ABOUT EARNING SALVATION.

you haven't even told me yet how to be saved using your own words, your own interpretation. So far the best you have offered to the question, "What must I do to be saved" is what not to do unless you want to go to hell. Like a one way ticket to hell, but no ticket to heaven idea...so again, I beg you to answer this question...what according to your theology and in your own words, must I do to be saved?

Repent--turn from wickedness to righteousness, love instead of hate and allow God to recreate you spiritually.

Right and compell is more about force than it is choice.
compel is motivation, not force and not a robot response, but that is something you will have to discover on your own

.Motivation is not about compelling. Motivation is about encourageing, but that is something you will have to discover on your own.

...we are all compelled to behave the way we do, so another question I have asked that I am "dieing" (figurative not literally) to have answered, is what compels you to do the things you do and not to do the things you do not do? What compels Elman?

I am not compelled--forced ---to do much. I am encouraged by God to love my neighbor.

Your defintion of compell had force in it.

You are never God's robot.
Praise the Lord for that, someday you really must figure out that to be compelled by something does not equal being it's robot...

Mybe you should reread since it is not something llike that.

Reread it still don't agree with you that you can love others perfectly.
I can't, the God in me can and it is a God that equips me, compels me, empowers me, lives through me, so unless you are calling God imperfect, you are wrong.

Disagreeing with you is not always being in disagreement with God.

No sometimes is not what we are talking about. We are talking about all the time without exaception and without any possibility of it having been done better.

that isn't what I said, in fact, I specifically typed, when I am living IN the Spirit vs. when I am living in the flesh....that means that sometimes my love is perfect and complete and sometimes I am living in the flesh and my love is inperfect and imcomplete...

I still don't agree that your love is ever perfect and complete and comparable to the love of God.

That is what the Good Samaritan was doing. That is what you and I are doing when we show compassion for others.

what? Loving perfectly, when the love is the extreme love of I Cor. 13, coming from God not self,

Not extreme, just love and 1 Cor 13 is not about love forced on us by God, but love we chose in obediance to God to do.

the love is indeed perfect and complete, when it isn't, when it is nothing more than a compassionate act, when it comes from self not God, it is imperfect and incomplete.

I don't agree, again.

No you are just forgiven.

I am forgiven and being saved...I am compeled by the HS within and learning to live in that Spirit rather than the flesh.

No you are encouraged by the HS within and if you do not grieve the spirit you chose to follow that encouragment.

God is perfect. You are not and you are never God.

I am so glad I can never be God, I wouldn't want the job...

No problem, it was never an option.

Yes Bingo--so you were never perfect and complete in the past because you could have and now have improved.

I now and learning to live in the Spirit and that is improvement over before when I was living in the flesh for self alone...does that somehow surprise you since I have said it many many many times now?

No no surprise.

??? So you say, but not what the bible says. Are you saying the Good Samaritan had the power and might of Jesus when he helped the man?

Close enough....please do offer if nothing else, some answers to the questions above.

Done again.

kenblaster5000 · #**613** 4th November 2009, 12:38 PM

There was a man who came that discovered the truth about God's word. He believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness. He had a burning love for God and suffered persecution for it. Some followed him as he followed Christ. Some followed for a while but had disagreements and a falling out. They started their own branches of philosophies. Their love waxed cold and the tongues and prophecies and revelations ceased. They all became denominations that acknowledge the Lord and the Holy Spirit, but their hearts are not with Him and they deny the power of the Holy Ghost. Later came others who found the truth, and God washed them with His word, after saying come, and He tells them to go. He sent His sheep into the vineyard, and some they revile, some they cast stones at, and some just hate them, because they do not love what is born of God. You uncircumcized of heart, you stiff-necked people, why do you always reject the Holy Spirit. Stephen was a martyr, stoned by Saul and the pharisees. A man of revelation, wisdom, filled with the Holy Spirit, and He was killed by murderers and rejecters of the truth. Many are the afflictions of the righteous but the Lord delivers them out of them all. There is a difference between casting stones and the conviction of the Holy Ghost. The hardened heart must be made flesh. Father God do not hold these sins against them. We must die to ourselves. A living sacrifice. If the Spirit that raised God from the dead, abides in you, He will quicken your mortal bodies. Are you quickened? Not by might, nor by power, but by His Spirit. Do not confuse arrogance with a testimony. I have layed out how the Lord delivers us from temptation with a way of escape. He promises He will keep me from the snare of the fowler. Be blessed.

elman · #**614** 4th November 2009, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by kenblaster5000

There was a man who came that discovered the truth about God's word. He believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness. He had a burning love for God and suffered persecution for it. Some followed him as he followed Christ. Some followed for a while but had disagreements and a falling out. They started their own branches of philosophies. Their love waxed cold and the tongues and prophecies and revelations ceased. They all became denominations that acknowledge the Lord and the Holy Spirit, but their hearts are not with Him and they deny the power of the Holy Ghost. Later came others who found the truth, and God washed them with His word, after saying come, and He tells them to go. He sent His sheep into the vineyard, and some they revile, some they cast stones at, and some just hate them, because they do not love what is born of God. You uncircumcized of heart, you stiff-necked people, why do you always reject the Holy Spirit. Stephen was a martyr, stoned by Saul and the pharisees. A man of revelation, wisdom, filled with the Holy Spirit, and He was killed by murderers and rejecters of the truth. Many are the afflictions of the righteous but the Lord delivers them out of them all. There is a difference between casting stones and the conviction of the Holy Ghost. The hardened heart must be made flesh. Father God do not hold these sins against them. We must die to ourselves. A living sacrifice. If the Spirit that raised God from the dead, abides in you, He will quicken your mortal bodies. Are you quickened? Not by might, nor by power, but by His Spirit. Do not confuse arrogance with a testimony. I have layed out how the Lord delivers us from temptation with a way of escape. He promises He will keep me from the snare of the fowler. Be blessed.

Read Matt 25:31 and following: Notice how the sheep are the ones that spoke in tongues, the ones that were not Methodist, the ones that knew absolutely that they were doing exactly what God wanted them to do? A testimoney can have arrogance in it.

razzelflabben · #**615** 4th November 2009, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by elman

Simply not true. God's acts of compassion are in the grace and forgiveness that we must have to avoid eternal death.

according to your previous post, God's grace is love and love is acts of compassion thus my question to you, What acts of compassion that God has given...your response, the acts of compassion are acts of compassion and forgiveness....that simply makes no sense, which is why understanding you is so difficult a thing...

One of them is recreating us spiritually when we have killed our own soul with our own sin.

closest thing to an answer we have been given, so here is my question, how is it NOT possible for man to recreate himself spiritually? I know people who do it all the time....you were asked what acts of compassion God gave us that was perfect and complete, something your claim is that man is not capable of...your reply, acts of compassion and forgiveness, when pushed you as recreating us spiritually...now I know people who preform acts of compassion so either they are as perfect as God, or you didn't answer the question...I know people who forgive, so either they are as perfect as God or you didn't answer the question....I know people who recreate their own spiritual lives, so either they are as perfect and complete as God or you didn't yet answer the question....what acts of compassion from God are perfect and complete? Acts of compassion man (imperfect man) is not capable of.

Hint: there is only one and you refuse to admit to it.

iplay4JC · #**616** 4th November 2009, 02:34 PM

Wow, I haven't read this entire thread but it sure took a wrong turn somewhere.

razzelflabben · #**617** 4th November 2009, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by elman

Read Matt 25:31 and following: Notice how the sheep are the ones that spoke in tongues, the ones that were not Methodist, the ones that knew absolutely that they were doing exactly what God wanted them to do? A testimoney can have arrogance in it.

A "testimony" can have arrogance, but love cannot...see I Cor. 13, Love never is arrogant, and neither is our testimony of Christ, for our boast is in Christ alone, not of self. Galatians 6:14 Romans 1:30 1 Corinthians 1:28-30 1 Corinthians 1:31 1 Corinthians 13:4 2 Corinthians 10:17 2 Corinthians 12:9 Galatians 6:14 Ephesians 2:9 James 4:16 1 John 2:16 Jude 1:16

kenblaster5000 · #**618** 4th November 2009, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by elman

Read Matt 25:31 and following: Notice how the sheep are the ones that spoke in tongues, the ones that were not Methodist, the ones that knew absolutely that they were doing exactly what God wanted them to do? A testimoney can have arrogance in it.

I will read that later, to get an understanding about what you are proposing here. I do this partly for entertainment. God so loved the world that He gave His only beggotten son, that whosoever believes on Him shall not perish but have eternal life. God loves and gives. He even gives to those who do not even acknowledge Him. He lets the rain and the sun shine on the just and the unjust. God is good. In fact He is awesome. God want fellowship with man and for them to know they are loved. He also wants to give them things. He led captivity captive and gave gifts to man. Can you honestly tell me that God does not want to pour out His Spirit and pour out of His vessels for His glory. You can receive tongues as well. Whatever the Holy Spirit bestows upon us. I am told to stir up the gifts that He has given me. So I pray for others, and I share the word of God. Whatever comes from the storehouse of my knowledge, to empty myself so that He can fill me again. Do I lack love for people? Yes, sometimes. Patience? Yes. Am I not honest? No, no liar will inherit the kingdom of God. I do not always lack love, but I can notice a calloused heart that will not receive. You will receive from the minister in the Methodist church, for you believe He is righteous and you receive a righteous man's reward. I receive from my pastors who are gifted with knowledge, wisdom, prophecy, and especially with prophecy, I utilize it to fight the good fight of faith. I am not commended by letters, nor by any man, but I am commended by God. He tells me that I am anointed, appointed, and approved. He is the one who has called and chosen me. His word says that I did not chose Him but He chose me. I make the word personal, because I have a personal relationship with the Father. He is the one who gave me a double portion of His anointing. Will I argue with that. No. I will fight the devil and all His demons to carry that anointing. Some of your sons and grandsons of the Methodist church will also. Gotta go, be blessed. Jesus is Lord.

elman · #**619** 5th November 2009, 11:22 AM

[quote]

Originally Posted by razzelflabben

according to your previous post, God's grace is love

God's grace is forgiving us and giving us the gift of eternal life when we do not deserve it.

and love is acts of compassion thus my question to you, What acts of compassion that God has given...

See above.

your response, the acts of compassion are acts of compassion and forgiveness....that simply makes no sense, which is why understanding you is so difficult a thing...

Why do you not understand that gifting us with life when our destiny is death is an act of compassion?

closest thing to an answer we have been given, so here is my question, how is it NOT possible for man to recreate himself spiritually?

It was God that created us physically and spiritually. We did not create ourselves. When we have distroyed ourselves spiritualy, it is still God that recreates us spiritually if we are to be recreated. That is the grace of God. If we could do that ourselves we would not need grace.

I know people who do it all the time....

I don't believe that to be true.

you were asked what acts of compassion God gave us that was perfect and complete, something your claim is that man is not capable of...your reply, acts of compassion and forgiveness, when pushed you as recreating us spiritually...now I know people who preform acts of compassion so either they are as perfect as God, or you didn't answer the question...

Our chosing to be loving to our neighbor does not make us equal to God in being loving to others.

I know people who forgive, so either they are as perfect as God or you didn't answer the question

..Our being forgiving to people does not make us equal to God in being forgiving.

..I know people who recreate their own spiritual lives

,No you do not. You may know people that turn from wickedness to righteousness and allow God to recreate them spiritually.

so either they are as perfect and complete as God or you didn't yet answer the question....what acts of compassion from God are perfect and complete? Acts of compassion man (imperfect man) is not capable of.

The spiritual recreation of a spiritually deceased human being.

Hint: there is only one and you refuse to admit to it

.I don't know what I am refusing to admit to. Be more specific.

elman · #**620** 5th November 2009, 11:33 AM

[quote]

Originally Posted by kenblaster5000

I will read that later, to get an understanding about what you are proposing here. I do this partly for entertainment. God so loved the world that He gave His only beggotten son, that whosoever believes on Him shall not perish but have eternal life. God loves and gives. He even gives to those who do not even acknowledge Him. He lets the rain and the sun shine on the just and the unjust. God is good. In fact He is awesome. God want fellowship with man and for them to know they are loved. He also wants to give them things. He led captivity captive and gave gifts to man. Can you honestly tell me that God does not want to pour out His Spirit and pour out of His vessels for His glory.

No disagreement.

You can receive tongues as well.

Paul said not all speak in tounges. Was Paul mistaken?

1 cor 12:29Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues[d]? Do all interpret? 31But eagerly desire[e] the greater gifts.