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Old 13th October 2009, 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by PaladinValer View Post
I would like to point out again the following:

It doesn't matter if a TE is liberal, moderate, or conservative. If anything were to truly matter is whether the TE was orthodox or not, which is not dependent of either of those terms. I have seen very orthodox liberals and very unorthodox conservatives (and the opposite is also true; the idea that most liberals are unorthodox and most conservatives are orthodox is very misleading and, from personal experience, is not true).

I'm not as common here as most of the true experts in science TEs are, but having I'd say read enough of their posts, I would be willing to bet that all of them, liberal, moderate, and conservative, are definitely orthodox.
Yes, a lot depends on just what the adjectives apply to. I would say I am creedally orthodox (Nicene Creed), moderately Reformed (3 of 5 TULIP points?), and quite liberal in my approach to scripture. Although even here the word "liberal" is tricky. I'm more liberationist than liberal. I generally find, both in theology and politics, that modern "liberalism" is a warm-fuzzy without serious intellectual content or commitment. So it is not a positive term for me, and I only use it when the only alternative is "conservative".


Hmm? I wonder. Is it "liberal" to prefer spectra to dichotomies?
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Old 18th October 2009, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by gluadys View Post
Yes, a lot depends on just what the adjectives apply to. I would say I am creedally orthodox (Nicene Creed), moderately Reformed (3 of 5 TULIP points?), and quite liberal in my approach to scripture. Although even here the word "liberal" is tricky. I'm more liberationist than liberal. I generally find, both in theology and politics, that modern "liberalism" is a warm-fuzzy without serious intellectual content or commitment. So it is not a positive term for me, and I only use it when the only alternative is "conservative".


Hmm? I wonder. Is it "liberal" to prefer spectra to dichotomies?
I think it depends on to whom you talk.

My wife is a pastor so self-described conservatives tell me I'm a liberal. But I believe in the bodily resurrection of Christ, and I believe that Scripture is infallible in matters of faith and practice, so self-described liberals tell me I'm a conservative. Personally, I think the labels do harm and cause both groups to polarize into silly and indefensible positions in order to oppose one another. But that's just me.

As to whether it's "liberal" to prefer spectra to dichotomies, I think the word you're looking for is "intelligent."
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I can relate! I'm another who's all over the map!

I'm fundamentalist in that I accept all 5 points of the historic "Five Fundamentals".

I'm conservative in that I'm creedally orthodox (Apostles and Nicene).

I'm moderate in my hermeneutics, drawing freely from conservative and liberal scholars and insights.

I'm liberal in that I like a good many liberal and emergent writers, including Hans Küng, Marcus Borg, Tony Campolo and Brian McLaren.

And I'm politically libertarian.
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I don't really post here, but I lurk.

Like Izdaari, I'm not "technically" TE, but, siding with the Framework model of Genesis, I see no dogmatic scientific statements in Genesis and will let the physical evidence speak for itself (and I tend to agree that the physical evidence does NOT point to a young earth). Instead of science and scientifice history, I believe that the point of Genesis is to reveal Christ.

Politically, I am Libertarian, but that really doesn't apply here. Theologically I am Orthodox, and by extension, I believe that I am orthodox as well. Christ rose from the dead, therefore who He is and what He did matters tremendously. If we have seen Christ, we have seen the Father.

And if I were proven wrong about the age of the earth, then so be it. That won't change the fact of the Resurrection.
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