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22nd June 2009, 06:46 PM
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Reps: 601,106,535,615,912 (power: 0) | | Christianity's Commandments. . Would you say the two commandments below are Christianity or Judaism? †. Mrk 12:30 . . Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength. †. Mrk 12:31 . . Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Did you guess Christianity? No, those two commandments are 100% Judaism. They both originated in Moses' covenanted law †. Deut 10:12-13 . . What doth Yhvh thy God require of thee, but to fear Yhvh thy God, to walk in all His ways, and to love Him, and to serve Yhvh thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul, to keep the commandments of Yhvh, and His statutes †. Lev 19:18 . . Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself I thought it might be fun to dig around in the New Testament and locate some commandments that are particular to Christianity rather than Judaism. Below is a starter set that anybody who wishes can add to from time to time. Note: Please do not use this thread as a venue to discuss either Jews, Judaism, or the Old Testament's commandments. The focus of this thread is strictly Christ's commandments as per the New Testament; not the Old. Before proceeding, I think it's essential to emphasize that an apostle's written commandments are just as binding upon Christians as if it were The Lord himself who penned them. †. 1Cor 2:12-13 . .We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. †. 1Cor 14:37 . . If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of The Lord. †. 1Thss 2:13 . .When you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the word of God. †. 1Thss 4:1-2 . . We beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more. For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. Here we go. 1) Acts 15:19-20 . . It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals, and from blood. 2) Rom 6:11 . . Count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 3) Rom 6:12 . . Do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 4) Rom 6:13 . . Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to Him as instruments of righteousness. 5) Rom 12:1-2 . . I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 6) Rom 12:3 . . As God's messenger, I give each of you this warning: Be honest in your estimate of yourselves, measuring your value by how much faith God has given you. 7) Rom 12:6 . . So if God has given you the ability to prophesy, speak out when you have faith that God is speaking through you. 8) Rom 12:7a . . If your gift is that of serving others, serve them well. 9) Rom 12:7b . . If you are a teacher, do a good job of teaching. 10) Rom 12:8a . . If your gift is to encourage others, do it! 11) Rom 12:8b . . If you have money, share it generously. 12) Rom 12:8c . . If God has given you leadership ability, take the responsibility seriously. 13) Rom 12:8d . . And if you have a gift for showing kindness to others, do it gladly. 14) Rom 12:9a . . Don't just pretend that you love others. 15)Rom 12:9b . . Hate what is wrong. 16) Rom 12:9c . . Stand on the side of the good. C.L.I.F.F. /
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22nd June 2009, 07:45 PM
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Now, where does that leave you as defender of the faith?
Is Christianity different to Judaism? In practice such may be the case but until you grasp the meaning and work of 'grace' you will remain snookered. So the question arises - could the doctrine of grace have been applied to Judaism?
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22nd June 2009, 11:12 PM
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Reps: 601,106,535,615,912 (power: 0) | | | Response to #2 by wayseer . RE: Is Christianity different to Judaism? In practice such may be the case but until you grasp the meaning and work of 'grace' you will remain snookered. So the question arises - could the doctrine of grace have been applied to Judaism? If you wish to discuss Judaism, please do so elsewhere. This area is reserved for Christian philosophy and ethics; and this thread's topic is Christianity's commandments— the topic of this thread is not the doctrine of either Christianity's grace nor Judaism's grace. I would appreciate your not making any more attempts to derail the OP. C.L.I.F.F. /
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23rd June 2009, 01:09 AM
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Reps: 17,360,874,073,973 (power: 17,360,874,079) | | | Hmmm, actually, those two commandments are Judaism and Christian. Love God and love your neighbor. Christianity at its beginning was a sect of Judaism, one which the Jews tried to squash under their own authority, not God's authority though. The only real difference is that Christians believe that Jesus was God incarnate, his son as it were and that he saved us all from sin. the two commandments that jesus said though are in every christians heart (should be anyway), and it doesnt matter if a non Christian follows them as well, for if they are not against us then they are for us, isnt that what Jesus said? and isnt Jesus the one we follow. Paul does nothing but point us to Jesus, the whole of the new testament is about Jesus and his teachings and what God wants for us. Do what is right and hate what is wrong, just as was said in the bible quotes of the OP. As a Christian, I see the Jews as a cousin, because there are so many similarities and thats mainly because Christianity has its roots in Judaism and every Christian would do well to remember that.
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23rd June 2009, 07:43 AM
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Reps: 573,721,884,829,066,624 (power: 573,721,884,829,081) | | | Dear Webers Home. Why make God`s 10 Commandments harder to understand? Jesus told the Pharisees by doing that, they are guilty of making room for Hypocrisy. Jesus gave 2 Commandments, which contain all 10 Commandments God gave us. 1) Love God with all our hearts, all our souls, and all our minds. What is there more than Love? true love? 2) Love our neighbour, ( all others, friend or foe ) as we love ourselves. Or even more easy to follow: treat all we know or meet, as we would like to be treated. Jesus also told us, unless we love like a child, we cannot enter God`s Kingdom. Is there anything in this world, which cannot be settled or accepted, with Love/Agape? I say this humbly and with love, Webers Home. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ? | 
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Reps: 601,106,535,615,912 (power: 0) | | | Response to #5 by Emmy . RE: Why make God`s 10 Commandments harder to understand? The subject of this thread is Christianity's commandments; not the Ten Commandments. The bulk of Christianity's commandments are located in the New Testament's epistles. Here's a few more to add to the list that I began in msg #1. 17) Rom 12:10a . . Love each other with genuine affection 18) Rom 12:10b . . Honor others over yourselves. 19) Rom 12:11 . . Never be half-hearted in your work, but serve the Lord enthusiastically. 20) Rom 12:12a . . Be glad for all God is planning for you. 21) Rom 12:12b . . Be patient in trouble, and always be prayerful. 22) Rom 12:13a . . Share with God's people who are in need. 23) Rom 12:13b . . Practice hospitality. 24) Rom 12:14 . . Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 25) Rom 12:15 . .When others are happy, be happy with them. If they are sad, share their sorrow. 26) Rom 12:16a . . Live in harmony with each other. 27) Rom 12:16b . . Do not be elitist, but be willing to associate with people of low position. 28) Rom 12:16c . . Do not be wise in your own conceit. In passing, I should point out that obedience to Christianity's commandments is the proof of one's devotion to the Bible's Christ. †. John 14:15 . . If you love me, you will obey what I command. †. John 14:21 . .Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. †. John 14:23-24 . . If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching . . He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. †. John 15:14 . .You are my friends if you do as I command. C.L.I.F.F. /
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23rd June 2009, 09:26 AM
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Reps: 601,106,535,615,912 (power: 0) | | | Response to #4 by ERice2nd . RE: As a Christian, I see the Jews as a cousin, because there are so many similarities and thats mainly because Christianity has its roots in Judaism and every Christian would do well to remember that. Could you please not use this thread to discuss the Jews? The subject of this thread is Christianity's commandments— viz: the New Testament's commandments —not the Old Testament's commandments. If you wish to begin a discussion of the Mitzvot, and/or the relationship between Jews and Christians; create a separate thread for it. C.L.I.F.F. / | 
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Reps: 17,360,874,073,973 (power: 17,360,874,079) | | Originally Posted by Webers_Home . RE: As a Christian, I see the Jews as a cousin, because there are so many similarities and thats mainly because Christianity has its roots in Judaism and every Christian would do well to remember that. Could you please not use this thread to discuss the Jews? The subject of this thread is Christianity's commandments— viz: the New Testament's commandments —not the Old Testament's commandments. If you wish to begin a discussion of the Mitzvot, and/or the relationship between Jews and Christians; create a separate thread for it. C.L.I.F.F. /
You dont seem to understand. the 10 commandments are the christian commandments, read the gospel, particularly what Jesus said about the law. Not one letter of the law will be changed. Last I checked, Jesus is the very foundation for Christian doctrine....are you going to deny Christ and pick up on this Christian commandment is not what he preached? Jesus taught the old testament through and through, he changed nothing, and all of the rest of the new testament points to Jesus Christ.
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24th June 2009, 01:18 AM
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24th June 2009, 09:50 AM
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Reps: 601,106,535,615,912 (power: 0) | | | Response to #8 by ERice2nd . RE You dont seem to understand.
You are not paying attention. The wording of the OP in msg #1 clearly stipulates discussion of commandments in the New Testament, not the Old. For your convenience; here's a reprint of that portion of the OP.
"I thought it might be fun to dig around in the New Testament and locate some commandments that are particular to Christianity rather than Judaism. Note: Please do not use this thread as a venue to discuss either Jews, Judaism, or the Old Testament's commandments. The focus of this thread is strictly Christ's commandments as per the New Testament; not the Old."
Below are examples of compliance with the OP. 29) Rom 12:17a . . Never reciprocate evil with evil to anyone. 30) Rom 12:17b . . Respect what is right in the sight of all men. 31) Rom 12:18 . . If possible, so far as it in your power, be at peace with all men. 32) Rom 12:19 . . Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay," says the Lord. 33) Rom 12:20 . . If your personal enemy is hungry, feed him, and if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap burning coals upon his head. 34) Rom 12:21 . . Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. 35) Rom 13:1 . . Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities 36) Rom 13:6 . . Pay your taxes 37) Rom 13:7 . . Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor. 38) Rom 13:8 . . Owe no man anything NOTE: some have construed that passage to mean that it's a sin to have a mortgage, a car payment, and a credit card balance. The Greek word for owe is opheilo (of-i'-lo); an ambiguous word with a number of meanings, one of which is to fail in duty; viz: fail to meet your obligations. In other words, Christians should pay their bills on time and not be deadbeats. 39) Rom 13:12 . . Put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. 40) Rom 13:13 . . .Behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. 41) Rom 13:14 . . .Clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not scheme to gratify the desires of the flesh. NOTE: that commandment has the distinction of being the correct interpretation of one of Jesus' teachings on adultery. †. Mtt 5:27-28 . .You have heard that it was said to those of old: You shall not commit adultery. But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Looking upon a married woman with longing, and/or entertaining erotic fantasies about her doesn't make the man an adulterer. It's only when he begins working on a plan to actually taste the goods that he crosses over the line into forbidden territory.
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