. 92) 1Cor 9:7-12 . .Who serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard and does not eat of its grapes? Who tends a flock and does not drink of the milk? Do I say this merely from a human point of view? Doesn't the Law say the same thing? For it is written in the Law of Moses: "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain." Is it about oxen that God is concerned?
. . Surely he says this for us, doesn't he? Yes, this was written for us, because when the plowman plows and the thresher threshes, they ought to do so in anticipation of sharing in the harvest. If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you?
93) 1Cor 9:12-14 . . Don't you know that those who work in the Temple get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? In the same way, The Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.
94) 1Cor 9:24 . . Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to obtain the prize.
95) 1Cor 10:6-7 . .Now these things occurred to our forefathers as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: "The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in pagan revelry."
96) 1Cor 10:8 . .We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did— and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died.
97) 1Cor 10:9 . .We should not test the Lord, as some of them did— and were killed by snakes.
98) 1Cor 10:10 . . And do not grumble, as some of them did— and were killed by the destroying angel.
99) 1Cor 10:11-12 . .These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come. So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall!
100) 1Cor 10:14 . .Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry.
101) 1Cor 10:24 . . Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others.
102) 1Cor 10:25-26 . . Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 26 for the earth is The Lord's, and everything in it.
103) 1Cor 10:27 . . If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience.
104) 1Cor 10:27-29 . . But if anyone says to you "This has been offered in sacrifice" then do not eat it, both for the sake of the man who told you and for conscience' sake— the other man's conscience, I mean, not yours.
105) 1Cor 10:31 . . So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.
106) 1Cor 10:32 . . Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Gentiles, or the church of God.
Based on the obsession with the topic, one would probably think "Thou shalt not be a gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgendered" is a Christian commandment. Which to me conflicts with the commandments about love.
Why does it always go there in every thread?
Here is what I have to say about this thread.
I don't need a bible quiz to tell me I've met God. I know God on a personal level as he said I would.
Oddly enough, to know anyone on a personal level is to know their personality. He is loving, caring, compassionate, understanding, forgiving and giving. To know him is to understand that there is no problem on this planet that can't be fixed through him.
I know this because I know God.
When someone is speaking of him beyond the boundaries of his personality I get suspicious. As I would when some describes a person I know in an uncharacteristic way.
Which has absolutely nothing to do with the problems gays and lesbians claim to be facing and really shouldn't have even been brought up in this thread.
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. RE: I don't need a bible quiz to tell me I've met God. I know God on a personal level as he said I would.
Sir, I would appreciate your not hijacking this thread for testimonies. The OP is specifically stated to be for discussing Christianity's commandments rather than one's relationship to Christianity's God. As a refresher, here's a reprint of the OP.
#1 Christianity's Commandments. 22nd June 2009, 02:46 PM PDT
I thought it might be fun to dig around in the New Testament and locate some commandments that are particular to Christianity rather than Judaism. Below is a starter set that anybody who wishes can add to from time to time.
Note: Please do not use this thread as a venue to discuss either Jews, Judaism, or the Old Testament's commandments. The focus of this thread is strictly Christ's commandments as per the New Testament; not the Old.
RE: Which has absolutely nothing to do with the problems gays and lesbians claim to be facing and really shouldn't have even been brought up in this thread.
Thank you for the reminder. As a service to anybody who might be looking for a place to discuss sexual perversion, I've listed links to several Christian†Forums threads already devoted to that purpose.
. Would you say the two commandments below are Christianity or Judaism?
†. Mrk 12:30 . . Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength.
†. Mrk 12:31 . . Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
Did you guess Christianity? No, those two commandments are 100% Judaism. They both originated in Moses' covenanted law
I would say they are both. Where they originated is Judaism, yes. But the Old Testament speaks of Christ. In essence, all Scripture being the Word, Christ, has a Christian pedigree.
It took me a while after my conversion back in 1968 to realize that just because something is in the New Testament does not eo ipso make it Christian; which is precisely why I have been avoiding the Gospels in this discussion.
As a case in point, the entire Sermon On The Mount is Old Testament Judaism through and through. Jesus taught nothing new in the Sermon; though his comments may have seemed new to his Jewish audience only because their regular rabbis didn't interpret Moses' covenanted law like Jesus did. Christ had an advantage. He got his interpretations of Moses' covenanted law straight from the horse's mouth rather than from a rabbi.
†. John 3:34 . . For he is sent by God. He speaks God's words, for God's Spirit is upon him without measure or limit.
†. John 8:26 . . I speak to the world those things which I have heard of Him.
†. John 12:49 . . For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a directive, what I should say, and what I should speak.
. 107) 1Cor 11:1 . . Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
108) 1Cor 11:3-10 . . Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head— it is just as though her head were shaved. If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head. A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of [the man's] authority on her head.
NOTE:some take that passage to mean that women should wear veils in church. No, I don't think so. The focus is upon a woman's hair, not her face. A scarf or hat would suffice for that purpose. And the time for the covering is only when she prays and/or prophesies— and not especially at church; but elsewhere too.
But let me be quick to point out that the venue is narrow; viz: Christian women are urged to cover their hair only when they pray or prophecy in the presence of God's men (which by definition includes their Christian husbands), not in the presence of the world's men, nor when they're alone, nor in the presence of God's women. So then, ladies' prayer groups, ladies' Bible studies, and/or ladies' missionary societies; etc, are exempt.
The whole idea is that the covering— whether it be scarf, cap, beret, tam, or hat —is a sign; viz: a testimony that women were not created at the same time as men, nor were they created to be served by men, nor were they created equal to men, nor were they created from the dust as men were; but they were created from men, after men, and for the express purpose of supporting men (Gen 2:18-23 and Gen 3:16). Basically, men have the primogeniture; viz: they are the "firstborn" of God's human creations.
When a woman covers her hair with something when she prays and/or prophesies, she's declaring her subordination to not just God, but more importantly, to men of God. This is probably a mite difficult for modern American women since our culture encourages them to stand up to men and assert their equality with males.
Though I've listed 1Cor 11:3-10 as a commandment, it's not mandatory (1Cor 11:16). So then, it falls into the category of 1John 3:22 as something that's "pleasing in His sight" as opposed to a direct order. In other words, it's above and beyond the call of duty.
This reminds me of a story I once heard where a little girl asked her mommy to make her a peanut butter sandwich for lunch. To the little girl's utter delight, the mommy put her favorite jelly on it too, and an Oreo cookie on the plate next to it. The mommy didn't have to do those extras. She did them because she loved her little girl and just wanted to make her happy.
Prophecy, as it's generally understood in the Bible, is broad rather than strictly predicting the future. When people speak for God in any capacity— whether in a bull session, on a forum, in evangelism, or in Sunday school —they are prophesying; which is why people need to be very careful when they discuss the Bible with others. Peter commanded that if any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God (1Pet 4:11). So then, if a person cannot speak for God when they interpret the Bible, then they need to sit down and shut up; whether male or female.
The identity of the "angels" in verse 10 is probably best understood as not the holy angels, but rather the angels of Rev 2:1-3:22; which aren't spirit beings, but rather, human beings— church managers; viz: the pastors. The Greek word is aggelos (ang'-el-os); which just simply means: a messenger. So then, an "angel" is basically somebody who speaks for God; whether human or divine.
109) 1Cor 11:27-28 . .Whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of The Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. A man ought to examine his motives before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup.
110) 1Cor 11:33-34 . . My brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for each other. If anyone is hungry, he should eat at home, so that when you meet together it may not result in judgment.
NOTE: What happened in the Corinthian church was that the members had expanded The Lord's supper into a fellowship buffet, replete with booze; thus totally losing sight of it's solemn intention of reminding them of the terrible price Jesus paid for their ransom from the wrath of God. You can just imagine how insulting that must be for Jesus and his Father; not to mention what it did to their feelings.
In one Conservative Baptist church I attended in San Diego, the Pastor wouldn't permit serving the elements till after he completed a solemn half-hour lecture on their purpose, including a word-for-word reading of Mtt 26:26-29, and 1Cor 11:23-26, so that nobody had any excuse for assuming they were being served a gratuitous snack; and thus eat the bread, and drink the cup of The Lord in a thoughtless manner.
Some men name ranches, towns, factories, highways, buildings, and bridges after themselves. Others erect ostentatious grave markers. Jesus wanted nothing grand. He wanted to be remembered only by a humble meal consisting of a common bakery product and a nondescript vine-based beverage; and his followers should honor his wishes and not go beyond with cathedrals, religious art, gold chalices, and cities like the Vatican. That's not what Jesus wanted; and it's downright insubordinate to presume he did.
111) 1Cor 12:24-27 . . God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, so that there should be no schism in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it. Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.
C.L.I.F.F. /
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It took me a while after my conversion back in 1968 to realize that just because something is in the New Testament does not eo ipso make it Christian; which is precisely why I have been avoiding the Gospels in this discussion.
As a case in point, the entire Sermon On The Mount is Old Testament Judaism through and through. Jesus taught nothing new in the Sermon; though his comments may have seemed new to his Jewish audience only because their regular rabbis didn't interpret Moses' covenanted law like Jesus did. Christ had an advantage. He got his interpretations of Moses' covenanted law straight from the horse's mouth rather than from a rabbi.
†. John 3:34 . . For he is sent by God. He speaks God's words, for God's Spirit is upon him without measure or limit.
†. John 8:26 . . I speak to the world those things which I have heard of Him.
†. John 12:49 . . For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a directive, what I should say, and what I should speak.
C.L.I.F.F. /
If Jesus was telling us to follow the laws of Moses wouldn't that make the OT Christian?
__________________ I'd be a atheist if it weren't for God.
Atheism is a non-prophet organization.
"Here lies an atheist; all dressed up and no place to go." Epitaph in Maryland cemetery
I tried atheism for a while, but my faith just wasn’t strong enough.
Those who go to Heaven ride on a pass and enter into blessings that they never earned, but all who go to hell pay their own way.
--John R. Rice
. RE: If Jesus was telling us to follow the laws of Moses wouldn't that make the OT Christian?
I didn't start this thread in order to say that there are no commandments in the Old Testament that apply to Christians. No, far from it. There are lots of commandments in the Old Testament that apply to Christians, but I'd rather not focus in that area.
The purpose of this thread is to discuss Christianity's commandments as per the New Testament, not the Old. As a refresher, here's a reprint from the opening post.
#1 Christianity's Commandments. 22nd June 2009, 02:46 PM PDT
I thought it might be fun to dig around in the New Testament and locate some commandments that are particular to Christianity rather than Judaism. Below is a starter set that anybody who wishes can add to from time to time.
Note: Please do not use this thread as a venue to discuss either Jews, Judaism, or the Old Testament's commandments. The focus of this thread is strictly Christ's commandments as per the New Testament; not the Old.
C.L.I.F.F. /
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. RE: If Jesus was telling us to follow the laws of Moses wouldn't that make the OT Christian?
I didn't start this thread in order to say that there are no commandments in the Old Testament that apply to Christians. No, far from it. There are lots of commandments in the Old Testament that apply to Christians, but I'd rather not focus in that area.
The purpose of this thread is to discuss Christianity's commandments as per the New Testament, not the Old. As a refresher, here's a reprint from the opening post.
#1 Christianity's Commandments. 22nd June 2009, 02:46 PM PDT
I thought it might be fun to dig around in the New Testament and locate some commandments that are particular to Christianity rather than Judaism. Below is a starter set that anybody who wishes can add to from time to time.
Note: Please do not use this thread as a venue to discuss either Jews, Judaism, or the Old Testament's commandments. The focus of this thread is strictly Christ's commandments as per the New Testament; not the Old.
C.L.I.F.F. /
Yes but you said, "Jesus taught nothing new in the Sermon"
I feel I have to ask,
If Jesus was teaching it, wouldn't it make it NT stuff? Wouldn't it make it Christian?
Do you have a bottom line here?
What is the point you want to make?
__________________ I'd be a atheist if it weren't for God.
Atheism is a non-prophet organization.
"Here lies an atheist; all dressed up and no place to go." Epitaph in Maryland cemetery
I tried atheism for a while, but my faith just wasn’t strong enough.
Those who go to Heaven ride on a pass and enter into blessings that they never earned, but all who go to hell pay their own way.
--John R. Rice
. RE: If Jesus was teaching it, wouldn't it make it NT stuff?
Yes.
RE: Wouldn't it make it Christian?
No.
Christ taught Judaism and Christianity in the New Testament. The trick is knowing how to tell them apart so that somebody doesn't fall into the all-too-common error of hybridizing the two into an unholy amalgam of law and grace.
C.L.I.F.F. /
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