I believe it means and to keep it short, do not exalt yourselves and do not exalt others.
Originally Posted by New_Wineskin
Seems clear . Don't address any person by a religious title because the Lord is the one to be acknowledged in those things .
It is interesting that Catholics take a very literal stance on "this is my body" and "This is my blood" but somehow look at this passage and pass on by .
Of course , I hear a lot of people who complain about Catholics calling people "father" who call people "pastors" or "reverend" and other things .
All true.
Originally Posted by New_Wineskin
I still find it humorous that "bible authority" folk won't obey the very clear command to not call *any* man "father" ( or any word used in place of it ) . Not just this but to ignore the rest of that passage . These people go crazy over the least thing and say "the BIBLE says THIS !!!!" to indicate that it must be obeyed . Yet , here is something simple - something clear - something ignored by the bible folk ( as a whole with so very , very , very few exceptions ) .
So what do you do then with :
KJV
Mt 5:29
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
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KJV Mt 5:29 29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Well , first of all , I don't do anything with Jimmy's version - I never know how much the words have changed and how much so .
Of course , I was referring to those that are constantly talking about doing what the Scriptures say and quoting them as commands to other people - those that claim "biblical authority" . I am not one of them . Why should I ? Not a single bible folk observes half of the commands in the Scriptures . So very few ( if any ) observe the passage in question of the thread . And , that is a simple one to obey . It is also a very practical one to obey as it brings all people to an equal status without elevating people - something that has caused huge problems in history because even the essence of the suggestion is ignored . Forget about the use of titles - but the use of titles that brings about the idea that some should be held in spiritual authority over others .
I was merely attempting to bring a mirror to the SS people as this is a perfect example that they don't do what they complain that everyone else doesn't and they do do what they complain that everyone else does .
Well , first of all , I don't do anything with Jimmy's version - I never know how much the words have changed and how much so .
Of course , I was referring to those that are constantly talking about doing what the Scriptures say and quoting them as commands to other people - those that claim "biblical authority" . I am not one of them . Why should I ? Not a single bible folk observes half of the commands in the Scriptures . So very few ( if any ) observe the passage in question of the thread . And , that is a simple one to obey . It is also a very practical one to obey as it brings all people to an equal status without elevating people - something that has caused huge problems in history because even the essence of the suggestion is ignored . Forget about the use of titles - but the use of titles that brings about the idea that some should be held in spiritual authority over others .
I was merely attempting to bring a mirror to the SS people as this is a perfect example that they don't do what they complain that everyone else doesn't and they do do what they complain that everyone else does .
You don’t know what others do or don’t do. Jesus told me that Christians are dead to sin. Scripture tells us that people who know God and sin will go to Hell.
I know if my eye would cause me to sin I would have it taken out.
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You don’t know what others do or don’t do. Jesus told me that Christians are dead to sin. Scripture tells us that people who know God and sin will go to Hell.
I know if my eye would cause me to sin I would have it taken out.
But everyone sins, that is why Jesus died for us, so that we could be forgiven since we can't help but sin. All fall short of the glory of God. If believers are sent to hell, why did Jesus have to die?
I know if my eye would cause me to sin I would have it taken out.
Brave words . I actually know a person who cut off their hand from the middle of the forearm . The whole town knows him .
But , since you have been perfect from sin with your eyes , you can keep them . I am confident that you will never sin again with your eyes as your keeping them will declare .
Well , first of all , I don't do anything with Jimmy's version - I never know how much the words have changed and how much so .
Definitely, one should always study on a deeper level, but that
passage is a translation of Jesus' statement to pluck out your
eye if it causes you to sin, regardless of which version, and we all
know, by rightly dividing the Word of truth, that God's not
suggesting we start whacking off body parts. If we did that
we'd all be memberless for SURE.
So what then 'does' it mean?
Of course , I was referring to those that are constantly talking about doing what the Scriptures say and quoting them as commands to other people - those that claim "biblical authority" . I am not one of them . Why should I ?
I cannot think of one reason to command others. But I can
think of many reasons to share truth with others. The entrance
of the Word brings light! (according to Scripture)
Not a single bible folk observes half of the commands in the Scriptures .
You sure?
So very few ( if any ) observe the passage in question of the thread . And , that is a simple one to obey . It is also a very practical one to obey as it brings all people to an equal status without elevating people - something that has caused huge problems in history because even the essence of the suggestion is ignored . Forget about the use of titles - but the use of titles that brings about the idea that some should be held in spiritual authority over others .
Right, I think most of us understand that He was talking about
glorifying men. A thread about other titles would be a good idea.
I was merely attempting to bring a mirror to the SS people as this is a perfect example that they don't do what they complain that everyone else doesn't and they do do what they complain that everyone else does .
Certainly we could play tit for tat all day,
but 'this' discussion is about calling a man father.
There are other threads to argue against SS.
And you gotta know that I'd be thrilled to discuss
that with you.
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Definitely, one should always study on a deeper level, but that
passage is a translation of Jesus' statement to pluck out your
eye if it causes you to sin, regardless of which version, and we all
know, by rightly dividing the Word of truth, that God's not
suggesting we start whacking off body parts. If we did that
we'd all be memberless for SURE.
So what then 'does' it mean?
Well , I answered that later in my post above . I will see if you got that a little later in this post ...
I would like to state that people who discuss "rightly dividing the Word of truth" in the manner that you did doesn't show that you *did* do that very thing in using that phrase . That phrase isn't discussing the Scriptures at all - a little study would show this . It is another manmade doctrine about a passage that people accept without making sure it is correct . Except for one or two doctrines on the Scriptures , all of them have been made up and people simply accept them because they believe what they hear from the heirarchy and tradition and don't do research to see if they hold water . I am just saying . I have been very frustrated looking up these doctrines trying to find their Scriptural support and it was like finding needles in haystacks . The little that I found did not help .
I cannot think of one reason to command others. But I can
think of many reasons to share truth with others. The entrance
of the Word brings light! (according to Scripture)
According to manmade doctrine about the Scriptures , yes . * that is a new one though )
I see no reason to command others , either except to bully someone . That is why many bible folk like their SS doctrine - they think that they have the authority to beat people over the head . I am glad that you are not like that .
You sure?
No doubt . They reason out why they don't obey certain commands - like this one . They simply pick and choose their pet commands . Everything else has a reason for ignoring it .
Right, I think most of us understand that He was talking about
glorifying men. A thread about other titles would be a good idea.
I see no need for another thread . If Jesus listed 100 titles , legalists would make up new titles because of the so-called "loophole" . The fact is , whatever title you use - the Lord is to be that . He is the revered one - He is your pastor - your bishop - your Holiness - .... Three titles and the words "do not" and "any" are good enough - for those that truthfully claim Scriptural Authority .
Now , I don't care that people give their titles to their human leaders . I merely find it humorous of certain ones who say one thing , complain about other denoms for not doing that thing , and then do the same thing themselves . All the while , they actually believe that others can't see it ( or really can't see it themselves - but that is when it becomes sad ) .
Certainly we could play tit for tat all day,
but 'this' discussion is about calling a man father.
There are other threads to argue against SS.
And you gotta know that I'd be thrilled to discuss
that with you.
sunlover
Why would I know that you would be thrilled when showing your tongue ? I am not sure if you approve of SS or not .
Anyway , it is a clear showing that those that say that they agree with SS - don't . It is a reason for the thread . Perhaps , you didn't pick up on that from the OP or are new to how things appear as questions on one thing are meant to show something not stated . Christian forums have these all of the time .
As someone claiming that to "rightly divide" is a good thing , you know that one should look at the whole passage and not simply a few words . To keep people from looking at the context shows that one is hiding something .
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I'm just glad Jesus didn't say "call no man coach."
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