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Reps: 177,116,452,243,484,384 (power: 0) | | | The context of it was in regards of them being called Father or Teacher in a way that THEY are the way. It's in the context of how Jim Jones, David Karash and the likes would want to be referred to as Father or Teacher etc.
So let's keep this within the scope of reality here. |
29th June 2009, 10:45 PM
| | | Originally Posted by Catholic_NE  You're quite right, but I suspect you're just wasting your breath (not literally, of course).
You know, Im beginning to think that you are right. |
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Reps: 40,741,260,280,236,496 (power: 40,741,260,280,253) | | Originally Posted by boswd The context of it was in regards of them being called Father or Teacher in a way that THEY are the way. It's in the context of how Jim Jones, David Karash and the likes would want to be referred to as Father or Teacher etc.
So let's keep this within the scope of reality here.
Lets see.. Its okay to call a pastor 'Father' as long as you do not call him "Father."
I see now.
Calling a pastor "Father" is fine when its used just like a nick name. Right? Originally Posted by boswd The context of it was in regards of them being called Father or Teacher in a way that THEY are the way.
What Jews ever did that? They could see a religious leader as being the way? You sound like you are speaking of a cult leader who started his own religion that no one had access to accept through him. Jews would have stoned such a man if he accepted such a position. They tried with Jesus for that very reason, and he is The Way.
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29th June 2009, 10:54 PM
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Reps: 177,116,452,243,484,384 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by genez Lets see.. Its okay to call a pastor 'Father' as long as you do not call him "Father."
I see now.
Calling a pastor "Father" is fine when its used just like a nick name. Right?
What Jews ever did that? They could see a religious leader as being the way? You sound like you are speaking of a cult leader who started his own religion that no one had access to accept through him. Jews would have stoned such a man if he accepted such a position. They tried with Jesus for that very reason, and he is The Way.
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So it's ok to call your Father Father as long as it's only a nickname right?
Ok I see.
If your pastor decides to tell his people that HE is the way to the Kingdom and he is YOUR father, that is what is being spoke of and the context of what Jesus is saying. |
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Reps: 40,741,260,280,236,496 (power: 40,741,260,280,253) | | Originally Posted by polishbeast So you do not take this literally, "And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven"
Why can't you get it? And everyone else who does not call their pastors "Father", can? Its not that hard to grasp. Really! Its a practice that your church started at a time when no one read the Bible for themselves. So, it became a tradition and was never questioned. Now you are stuck with having to find a way to make it seem like it was not really a bad idea to begin with.
Some here make it sound much more difficult than it is to see. That way, it leaves some with excuse to continue in the same error they cherish as tradition. Jesus said those words because God always knew it would expose those who claim to know the Word of God better than all others, yet really do not. .
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29th June 2009, 11:01 PM
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Reps: 177,116,452,243,484,384 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by genez Why can't you get it? And everyone else who does not call their pastors "Father", can? Its not that hard to grasp. Really! Its a practice that your church started at a time when no one read the Bible for themselves. So, it became a tradition and was never questioned. Now you are stuck with having to find a way to make it seem like it was not really a bad idea to begin with.
Some here make it sound much more difficult than it is to see. That way, it leaves some with excuse to continue in the same error they cherish as tradition. Jesus said those words because God always knew it would expose those who claim to know the Word of God better than all others, yet really do not.
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Do you know of any Priest in either the Catholic,Episcopalian, Easter Orthodox, European Lutherans who claim to know the word of God better than all others and claim they are the way?
I find it Ironic that almost all Cult leaders who make this distincition about themselves came from Protestant backgrounds. |
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Reps: 996,768,363,525,666,816 (power: 996,768,363,525,684) | | Originally Posted by boswd The context of it was in regards of them being called Father or Teacher in a way that THEY are the way. It's in the context of how Jim Jones, David Karash and the likes would want to be referred to as Father or Teacher etc.
So let's keep this within the scope of reality here.
The scripure says Call no man Father.
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Reps: 40,741,260,280,236,496 (power: 40,741,260,280,253) | | Originally Posted by polishbeast "I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:14–15)
The Greek does not say "your father."
" for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel."
There is no mention of being called a father. The Greek ( gennao) simply means "beget" .. "begotten" - by means of the Gospel. Its metaphorical. It might be interpreted as father by some. But it does not say (considering the context) "your father." Says simply, begotten.
Now? If you can find a passage where it read..."I saw Father Peter." Then the case would be closed. As it stands. I only see minds being closed.
Matthew 23:9
"Do not call anyone on earth your father; for
One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
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