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22nd June 2009, 11:12 PM
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You have a choice and their is NO middle ground! You either accept the cross or you do not. Time is running out quickly. Stop worrying about whether your understanding of scripture is complete or if your denomination is right. If you are not born again NOTHING you have tried to do means a thing! Ask me or ask someone if you do not understand or need help! Saved Christians have a wonderful future ahead! Join with Us and Jesus!
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23rd June 2009, 06:25 PM
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23rd June 2009, 06:26 PM
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Reps: 343,789,121,616,877,504 (power: 343,789,121,616,884) | | Originally Posted by gennaoanothen  Word of Faith, is simplying believing from the spirit the promises that God has given to us in His Word, and receiving them.
We act upon the Word of our Father, in faith, and we receive. 
What is someone reads it differently than you do though? People ALWAYS do I don't want a cop out, it's just the part I really don't understand  Do we crush dissenting opinion? I mean, I'm not disrespecting the way you guys believe but God gave me the ability to reason and make decisions on my own in hopes that I would find him.
At the very least the English language is so crappy that words are completely misused in the Bible anyways, if I'm really hardcore I'll go learn Greek and Hebrew but my schedule doesn't allow for that now. But if I could do that I'm sure we would both see very different things, different things than someone reading the bible in say...French would see, because there would be differences. I think there is a difference between using the Bible as the sole measure of faith and then subjecting yourself to whatever the English scholars decided to say because even in modern times we have many different translations that at some level or another say different things about the same subjects. How would you discern which is true?
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23rd June 2009, 08:11 PM
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Reps: 78,665,091,878,813,952 (power: 78,665,091,878,818) | | Originally Posted by Zoness What is someone reads it differently than you do though? People ALWAYS do I don't want a cop out, it's just the part I really don't understand Do we crush dissenting opinion? I mean, I'm not disrespecting the way you guys believe but God gave me the ability to reason and make decisions on my own in hopes that I would find him.
At the very least the English language is so crappy that words are completely misused in the Bible anyways, if I'm really hardcore I'll go learn Greek and Hebrew but my schedule doesn't allow for that now. But if I could do that I'm sure we would both see very different things, different things than someone reading the bible in say...French would see, because there would be differences. I think there is a difference between using the Bible as the sole measure of faith and then subjecting yourself to whatever the English scholars decided to say because even in modern times we have many different translations that at some level or another say different things about the same subjects. How would you discern which is true?
you have asked a fair question.
The Bible does say that faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. Romans 10:17
I do not believe the problem is how we interpret what we read in the English language, I believe the problem ls in the fact that people want to pick and choose what scriptures to believe, and what scriptures they want to neglect. and that causes the divisions.
often I will look the meaning of the word up in the Hebrew or the Greek, as I am studying and reading, but for the most part the Holy Spirit brings out to me what God would have me to understand. another words I may read through a book of the Bible, the first time through the Holy Spirit may bring out to me the faith involved in healings and miracles, the next time reading through the Holy Spirit may bring out to me where God was glorified in the healings and miracles, the next time He may show me where all who came were healed. So for the most part I rely on God to show me what he wants me to see as I am reading and studying. I just have to make it a point to read, and want God to show me.
and yes I have been healed, and pray for others and they are healed, doctors reports to boot.
The Bible is not complex to understand, when you let the Holy Spirit direct you.
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24th June 2009, 02:14 PM
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24th June 2009, 04:40 PM
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all very interesting, I don't think WoF is for me anyways, thanks.
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24th June 2009, 04:58 PM
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24th June 2009, 04:58 PM
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Reps: 59,298,758,133,519,840 (power: 59,298,758,133,525) | | Originally Posted by Zoness Hmmmmmm....
all very interesting, I don't think WoF is for me anyways, thanks.
It would be nice to know how you arrived at that conclusion.
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24th June 2009, 07:46 PM
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Reps: 78,665,091,878,813,952 (power: 78,665,091,878,818) | | Originally Posted by Supplanter For even if you have seen all these things and done all these things, if you do not have love (because God is love), then you really have accomplished nothing. So many will stand before God on the day of Judgment who have worked miracles in His name and yet when they cry "Lord, Lord," He will say that He does not know them. I don't want to say that this will be the case with you, but there are some red flags that go up in your posts that seem to warrant someone needing to say something to you in order that you might seriously do some introspective questioning with Jesus and ask Him to reveal the nature of your own heart in some of these beliefs that you hold and things that you profess.
Supplanter I have a question concerning the Lord, Lord statment?
you are quoting from Matthew 7:23
we know that that is a favorite scripture of self proclaimed hersey hunters, and it is probably used against us more than against any other denomination. Seriously I do not believe that those people that say they did those things actually did do those things. I believe that the only reason they said they did those things too, was because they saw that those who were with Jesus actually did do those things, (cast out devils, etc).
Some of the reasons I believe as I do.
look at verse 21, we know that it is the will of God to do those things.
verse 18 Jesus said a good tree can not bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
now in the context of Matthew 7 casting out devils is good fruit, because it is the will of God that this be done. and Jesus said a corrupt tree can not do this. and those that worked iniquity were no doubt corrupt.
and we know that in order to do these things the Holy Spirit would be in us, we would also have to know the authority that Jesus has delegated to us, and we would also have to know that Jesus has all authority.
so if there are any other wof people, I would appreciate your input. but please carefully read the scriptures first. thank you
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24th June 2009, 10:29 PM
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Reps: 59,298,758,133,519,840 (power: 59,298,758,133,525) | | Originally Posted by gennaoanothen Supplanter I have a question concerning the Lord, Lord statment?
you are quoting from Matthew 7:23
we know that that is a favorite scripture of self proclaimed hersey hunters, and it is probably used against us more than against any other denomination.
Seriously I do not believe that those people that say they did those things actually did do those things. I believe that the only reason they said they did those things too, was because they saw that those who were with Jesus actually did do those things, (cast out devils, etc).
Some of the reasons I believe as I do.
look at verse 21, we know that it is the will of God to do those things.
verse 18 Jesus said a good tree can not bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
now in the context of Matthew 7 casting out devils is good fruit, because it is the will of God that this be done. and Jesus said a corrupt tree can not do this. and those that worked iniquity were no doubt corrupt.
and we know that in order to do these things the Holy Spirit would be in us, we would also have to know the authority that Jesus has delegated to us, and we would also have to know that Jesus has all authority.
so if there are any other wof people, I would appreciate your input. but please carefully read the scriptures first. thank you
I'm going to create a new thread for this topic titled: Matthew 7:23, because i think it is iteresting and deserves some studious treatment.
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