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19th June 2009, 01:40 PM
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Gen 6:1-4 1 When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty years." 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
There are 3 views that I know of:
1) they were fallen angels
2) they were powerful human rulers
3) they were godly descendants of Seth intermarrying with wicked descendants of Cain.
Some other interesting verses involving the Nephilim are:
Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of anak, which come of the giants. We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them Deuteronomy 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man
There are other verses in the bible refering to giants. Goliath was not the only one. Who/what were they? | 
25th June 2009, 09:18 AM
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Some think that they are disembodied now, and are the demons Christ gave to the pigs.
Bullinger has some awsome appendix' on the giants, Satan and fallen angels. http://www.angelfire.com/nv/TheOlive.../append19.html -serpent in the garden http://www.angelfire.com/nv/TheOlive.../append20.html -Posterity of Cain http://www.angelfire.com/nv/TheOlive.../append23.html -sons of God in Gen6 http://www.angelfire.com/nv/TheOlive.../append25.html -The Nephilim or giants of Gen6
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25th June 2009, 12:07 PM
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28th June 2009, 10:16 AM
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Reps: 211,111,524,480,703,456 (power: 211,111,524,480,716) | | | sons of God and sex.... Jude1:6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 8Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
Gen6:1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. the sons of God are not Cain's descendants, but the fallen angels....not born as men, but instead, left their heavenly realm and tried to thwart God's plan to bring Messiah through a perfect pure seedline....by mixing their seed with Adam's descendants... the sons of God saw the daughters of MEN......clearly defining that those sons of God are themselves not MEN. Cain's descendants are not the sons of God. the giants could ahve been the basis for the greek/roman gods...or some indian gods
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29th June 2009, 11:44 PM
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Mighty men simply refers to the degree of power/influence these people had. | 
7th July 2009, 02:13 AM
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the daughters are of ADAM, specific.....
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7th July 2009, 03:00 AM
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Reps: 860,209,824,605,827 (power: 860,209,824,610) | | | Care to explain why a being that is meant to have been disobedient to God would be referred to as a son of God whe the rest of scripture has that term reserved for those who are God's representatives? | 
8th July 2009, 07:03 AM
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Reps: 211,111,524,480,703,456 (power: 211,111,524,480,716) | | | 6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 8Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. 1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. 8But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. as for your question, a flesh man is a son of man...a spiritual man is a son of God... angels are sons of God now......we can be considered sons of God through Christ, THE only begotten (not created) Son of God.
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15th July 2009, 08:16 PM
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Reps: 57,060,665,180,425,280 (power: 57,060,665,180,438) | | Originally Posted by zeke37 as for your question, a flesh man is a son of man...a spiritual man is a son of God...
Exactly. Gal 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. 1Cr 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. angels are sons of God now......
So are those that live in the Spirit. Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. we can be considered sons of God through Christ, THE only begotten (not created) Son of God.
So true, so very true. Thus, those born again are son of God. Hence those in Gen. 6 were also born of the Spirit, not fallen angels.
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2nd August 2009, 08:14 AM
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Reps: 102,867,856,342 (power: 0) | | | Option 3 is the correct one. Angels, which are spiritual beings, cannot reproduce.
They cannot reproduce because they were not created with a desire to reproduce.
They were not created with a desire to reproduce, because they are eternal beings, and therefore have no need of reproduction.
Because they were not created with a desire to reproduce, there can be no object of such (non-existent) desire.
Therefore, the passage in Genesis which indicates that the Sons of God desired the daughters of men, does not refer to angelic beings. |  | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode | | | |