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17th June 2009, 12:13 AM
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Reps: 5,636,048,707,972,864 (power: 5,636,048,707,984) | | | Prayer in Public Schools? I am a mature Christian woman who has been teaching in the public schools for over 20 years. I also earned a Masters in Social Work, and work part time in a psychiatric hospital. In the school in which I teach, I have students from all over the world, and of every major religion in the world, including Islam, Hindu, and Buddhist, along with Christians and Jews.
In my school are many Christian teachers, and several of us gather each morning for prayer for our school, the students, teachers as well as our country. I teach middle school Social Studies and work hard to educate my students on the Bill of Rights, as many have come from countries where such rights are nonexistant.
I raised my children in public schools, and they led many of their friends to the Lord, some right in school.
Am I dishonoring the Lord by believing that it is inappropriate to push for Christian prayers to be returned to the public schools? Nobody is stopped from praying during non-instructional times in the schools. I have had students witness to each other in front of me, ON THEIR OWN TIME.
I often wonder why it all of the country's problems are blamed on prayer being taken out of the public schools. I don't believe it has. What has been taken is IMPOSED Christian prayers. Christians are free to pray, on their time not the school's.
Sorry to be so long winded. I am new to this forum, but not new to CF.
Trish
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17th June 2009, 02:58 AM
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I went through twelve years of prayer in school and was glad to see it go. It was as much a go-through-the-motions exercise as the Pledge of Allegiance and the morning PA system bulletin (which, at least, usually contained something of interest) and both was and is to my mind sheer Phariseeism. That a New Testament prayer was forced on the one-third or so of the student body who were Jewish, and that the form used was never that used by Roman Catholics, (perhaps another one-fourth), and that, in Upper Northwest DC, some of the students were Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu or Sikh never seemed to occur to a single administrator.
I do believe that in subsequent years the courts went overboard in defining "government sponsored." At one point, it is entirely likely that your mere observation
of one student witnessing to another would, since you are an employee or agent of a governmental entity, would have been found to be "sponsorship." At least one teacher has had to go to court to have her right to read a Bible - silently, while alone - during her free period. More than one valedictorian who simply wanted to express thanks to God in her speech has had a court uphold the school administrators' censorship. Though progress has been made I still worry that, though the initial Court decision intended to prevent a government entity from establishing religion, the result has been to allow or even require its disestablishment. | 
17th June 2009, 03:03 AM
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18th June 2009, 01:06 AM
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Reps: 5,636,048,707,972,864 (power: 5,636,048,707,984) | | Originally Posted by Junaid0 I think giving 5 minutes of silent time to spend as kids choose would be good for the kids. It'd be a great way for kids to meditate on whatever is on their mind. Getting five minutes to spare in our tight schedule would definitely be a challenge. We have had "Moments" to meditate, as on 9/11, we remembered the tragedy, and also remembered the fallen police officers in our city, as we have had about 4 killed in the past two years. Getting an entire minute of total silence out of 1500 middle school children, at the same time, is such a challenge. But, I believe that would be worth it.
I do know that kids have never been hindered from practicing. In fact, during Ramadan, the Muslim kids are offered the use of the library during the lunch period so they don't have to be around the food in the lunch room during their fasting period.
It is an interesting topic.
Trish
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18th June 2009, 01:09 AM
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Reps: 5,636,048,707,972,864 (power: 5,636,048,707,984) | | Originally Posted by BobW188 Well, fancy meeting you here!
I went through twelve years of prayer in school and was glad to see it go. It was as much a go-through-the-motions exercise as the Pledge of Allegiance and the morning PA system bulletin (which, at least, usually contained something of interest) and both was and is to my mind sheer Phariseeism. That a New Testament prayer was forced on the one-third or so of the student body who were Jewish, and that the form used was never that used by Roman Catholics, (perhaps another one-fourth), and that, in Upper Northwest DC, some of the students were Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu or Sikh never seemed to occur to a single administrator.
I do believe that in subsequent years the courts went overboard in defining "government sponsored." At one point, it is entirely likely that your mere observation
of one student witnessing to another would, since you are an employee or agent of a governmental entity, would have been found to be "sponsorship." At least one teacher has had to go to court to have her right to read a Bible - silently, while alone - during her free period. More than one valedictorian who simply wanted to express thanks to God in her speech has had a court uphold the school administrators' censorship. Though progress has been made I still worry that, though the initial Court decision intended to prevent a government entity from establishing religion, the result has been to allow or even require its disestablishment. My mom tells me stories of how they even had Bible readings in her school in the 1930s and 40s.
I went to three years of Catholic school, and came to public school after the Supreme Court said it was unconstitutional to have mandatory prayer in school.
I do believe that the extremes that have been in the media, as you have described, are blowing things in the other direction to a fault.
Good to see you, Bob. I had forgotten about this forum for a while.
Trish
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22nd July 2009, 12:13 PM
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Reps: 349,224,964,602 (power: 349,224,968) | | | Hello there! I am a new teacher just graduated from college (don't actually have a job yet, but I guess I can still be called a teacher!) and I agree with what you are saying completely. So many people want to blame the country's problems and the problems with our children on prayer being pulled out of the schools. They want to long for the old times when prayer was in school and you could paddle students, when it is unrealistic to want thigns to return to the way they were years ago.
The country is so much different now--more diversity. This country was founded, at least I think so, on the basis of us wanting religious freedom from England. I admit, I live in an area and did my student teaching in an area that probably still could have prayer in schools and no one would have a problem with it (very rural and conservative). In fact, a group of us got together in high school and went to one of the teachers and asked permission if we could have a Bible study in his room during homeroom. I think we even asked him to participate, and no one had a problem with it because it was optional. That's the key--it has to be optional. I always think of it as if the majority of people attending a school were Muslim, the Christian students wouldn't like being forced to participate in Muslim prayer (just an example).
I agree that it would be difficult to get middle school students to be quiet for one minute! But I think giving a minute or so of silence to those who wish to pray is a great way to solve this whole problem! | 
10th August 2009, 08:00 PM
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10th August 2009, 08:40 PM
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Reps: 38,221,363,904,330 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by madison1101 I am a mature Christian woman who has been teaching in the public schools for over 20 years. I also earned a Masters in Social Work, and work part time in a psychiatric hospital. In the school in which I teach, I have students from all over the world, and of every major religion in the world, including Islam, Hindu, and Buddhist, along with Christians and Jews.
In my school are many Christian teachers, and several of us gather each morning for prayer for our school, the students, teachers as well as our country. I teach middle school Social Studies and work hard to educate my students on the Bill of Rights, as many have come from countries where such rights are nonexistant.
I raised my children in public schools, and they led many of their friends to the Lord, some right in school.
Am I dishonoring the Lord by believing that it is inappropriate to push for Christian prayers to be returned to the public schools? Nobody is stopped from praying during non-instructional times in the schools. I have had students witness to each other in front of me, ON THEIR OWN TIME.
I often wonder why it all of the country's problems are blamed on prayer being taken out of the public schools. I don't believe it has. What has been taken is IMPOSED Christian prayers. Christians are free to pray, on their time not the school's.
Sorry to be so long winded. I am new to this forum, but not new to CF.
Trish
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10th August 2009, 11:21 PM
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Reps: 2,441,232,823 (power: 2,441,239) | | | Prayer is allowed at my childrens' school. But that's because we homeschool. I'm glad that prayer is not allowed to be a part of public schools. If you wanted it to be, then it would be open to all faiths. I wouldn't want my children having muhamed promoted to them at school or buddha or any of the other false prophets. Sure I wouldn't mind if Jesus was promoted, but who's version of Jesus? What if it was some Jahova's Witness teacher or some Mormon teacher. I don't feel like having to reprogram my children when the get home from school. If public schools are open to all children and teachers from all religions, I definitely don't want religion taught there. I prefer it taught at home and church where we can teach them the truth. | 
10th August 2009, 11:28 PM
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Reps: 38,221,363,904,330 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by rockytriton Prayer is allowed at my childrens' school. But that's because we homeschool. I'm glad that prayer is not allowed to be a part of public schools. If you wanted it to be, then it would be open to all faiths. I wouldn't want my children having muhamed promoted to them at school or buddha or any of the other false prophets. Sure I wouldn't mind if Jesus was promoted, but who's version of Jesus? What if it was some Jahova's Witness teacher or some Mormon teacher. I don't feel like having to reprogram my children when the get home from school. If public schools are open to all children and teachers from all religions, I definitely don't want religion taught there. I prefer it taught at home and church where we can teach them the truth.
The old way is going to change.
People can repent now, if they wish.
If the end was not coming soon, this way you speak of would be right.
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