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How do you define faith?
Facts Accepted In The Heart.
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Facts Accepted In The Heart.
Is that to mean facts accepted without evidence? Or could you be a bit more specific as the heart is just a muscle and it cannot "accept" anything?
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Originally Posted by sandwiches View Post
Is that to mean facts accepted without evidence?
Yup --- when we see something (called "walking by sight"), and we chose to accept what the Bible tells us over the interpretation of what we are looking at --- that evidence, in effect, becomes our faith (called "walking by faith").
Originally Posted by Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Faith = evidence.
Originally Posted by sandwiches View Post
Or could you be a bit more specific as the heart is just a muscle and it cannot "accept" anything?
The Bible says the heart is capable of thinking.
Originally Posted by Proverbs 23:7a
For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he:
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
Yup --- when we see something (called "walking by sight"), and we chose to accept what the Bible tells us over the interpretation of what we are looking at --- that evidence, in effect, becomes our faith (called "walking by faith").Faith = evidence.The Bible says the heart is capable of thinking.
Two questions:
What does evidence mean to you?

How does the heart think?
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Originally Posted by sandwiches View Post
Two questions:
What does evidence mean to you?
Just that --- it's a vestige of something that happened.
Originally Posted by sandwiches View Post
How does the heart think?
I don't know.
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So if I have a heart transplant would I get the donors faith along with their heart ?
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Originally Posted by pgp_protector View Post
So if I have a heart transplant would I get the donors faith along with their heart ?
No --- your brain would "reprogram" your heart.

It would be like getting a new hard drive.
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
Just that --- it's a vestige of something that happened.I don't know.
So, evidence is some kind of mark left over by some event.

Now, when I asked "Is that to mean facts accepted without evidence?"

You answered:
Yup --- when we see something (called "walking by sight"), and we chose to accept what the Bible tells us over the interpretation of what we are looking at --- that evidence, in effect, becomes our faith (called "walking by faith").
If you have a mark of an event as evidence, then you cannot believe that on faith per your response, for you agreed that faith was to accept facts without evidence. Care to revise your definition of faith?
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So, evidence is some kind of mark left over by some event.

Now, when I asked "Is that to mean facts accepted without evidence?"

You answered:
Yup --- when we see something (called "walking by sight"), and we chose to accept what the Bible tells us over the interpretation of what we are looking at --- that evidence, in effect, becomes our faith (called "walking by faith").
If you have a mark of an event as evidence, then you cannot believe that on faith per your response, for you agreed that faith was to accept facts without evidence. Care to revise your definition of faith?
Hoho, wait till you see some of the extrabiblical workarounds some of our resident creationists have come up with!

Gives the word "literalism" a whole new meaning!
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No --- your brain would "reprogram" your heart.

It would be like getting a new hard drive.
My goodness, it's almost like the brain could think for itself!
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