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A smart move would be to quit bringing it up and highlighting it.
Um ... who are the ones who do the highlighting?
Seems to me you guys bring it up quite often.
Where do you think I got that idea from?
It suddenly came to me one day when I saw someone in one thread claiming the Bible justifies slavery, while someone in another was saying they burned witches in respect to the Bible --- not in spite of It.
Contrary to popular belief, I was not raised in a Christian setting. Christianity wasn't shoved down my throat. My mom used Sunday School and Church activities as a "babysitter". To be perfectly honest, I don't recall (as a child) being taught about God (which I'm sure I was, I just don't remember). But for reasons I will not discuss on the forum, as a young child I put a lot of faith in God.
My first Bible was a children version of the Bible. Even when reading that book I believed all the stories that were in the book.
So you weren't raised in a Christian setting, but you went to Sunday school and church activities, were taught about God, put a lot of faith in God, and had a Bible as a child? That's pretty much the definition of a Christian setting.
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I guess what I'm wondering is... what faith? Now, don't take that the wrong way. What I mean is this: If I were to pick up any old book, I would need to make some determinations about that book. Is it fiction or non-fiction? Is it a historcial account or could it be biased? Who wrote it? Where did it come from? If it contains stories, allegories, or metaphors... should they be read as literal happenings, or as metaphors and allegories?
Well I guess if you pick up the Bible and think it is just "any old book" that is how you would view then. So to me, that is the very first issue. The Bible is not just any old book, it is the Word of God.
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It suddenly came to me one day when I saw someone in one thread claiming the Bible justifies slavery, while someone in another was saying they burned witches in respect to the Bible --- not in spite of It.
yes, and it is the Christians who interpreted the bible that way, and put it into action.
Interpret the bible the atheist way, and nobody would ever get burned at the stake. or quote scripture to make slavery good and holy. or make it ok to send someone to murder babies.
you keep saying something about how "if you guys..." when it is the Christians who keep finding ugly ways to interpret the bible to justify themselves. I dont know why you cant get that. i dont know why you keep bringing it up and highlighting this, unintentinally as it may be. but hey, go ahead... just another example of misreading other people thro' the tinted glasses. And bringing it up again that Christians have used the bible to justify all sorts of atrocities.
We do have people praying to god to send them against the unbellievers and kill them. You know that. No doubt some have acted on it, believing they got such a message.
DO you know of an atheist who is using an interpretation of the bible to justify a killing spree?
So you weren't raised in a Christian setting, but you went to Sunday school and church activities, were taught about God, put a lot of faith in God, and had a Bible as a child? That's pretty much the definition of a Christian setting.
As I said in the post you find so amusing to pick apart, I did attend church and church activities but do not remember being taught about God. As a child I believe the last time I attended church was at the age of around 9.
In my home God was never a topic growing up. Yes I was given a childrens Bible when I was about 7-8 (I think), I read this on my own, the stories were never explained to me.
I guess my vision of a Christian setting: the entire family goes to church, God is used as an example in the home EVERY DAY, the Bible is read on a daily basis and discussed as a family, prayer is very important, etc.
Now your Christian setting may be different from mine, but my own personal belief is I did not grow up in a christian setting.
I didn't start reading KJV until my early 20's.
__________________ Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Well I guess if you pick up the Bible and think it is just "any old book" that is how you would view then. So to me, that is the very first issue. The Bible is not just any old book, it is the Word of God.
My apologies. Regardless of my own opinions, I did not mean to suggest that the label applied to the bible. My reference to "any old book" was only in reference to "any book".
However, you have somewhat answered my question... I just need a little clarification. When you first picked up the bible, how did you know it was the word of god? This goes back to my previous question about how you knew it should be interpretted literally.
When science contradicts the Bible I will take Gods word of mans word. We aren't talking about the sun rising, doctors and medicine, etc. We are talking about where human life began, which is with Adam and Eve.
You know I would truly like to say that when I get to Heaven it will be the first question I ask God, but in all honestly I believe I will be in such awe with being in the Lords presence, that I will care less about the evolution crap scientist have come up with.
Why ignore some of what the bible states as facts(Sun Rising, Doctors & Medicine, Earth Not Moving, ect) but not other areas ?
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Luke 10:27 (Love God Above All, And Your Neighbor as yourself) And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Matthew 7:12 (Do unto others)
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Matthew 5:43-48 (Pray for those that persecute you)
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Luke 6:27-29 (Love your enemies.)
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
Originally Posted by Saint Augustine
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If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books.
Isaiah 8:12-13 (NIV) "Do not call conspiracy everything that these people call conspiracy; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it. The Lord Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy, he is the one you are to fear, he is the one you are to dread."
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Hi. New guy here. I just wanted to reply to the quote:
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
That only applies if the law is in accordance with the word of God. A Christian is not to obey a law when it goes against the word of God. Therefore, breaking the law is not always a sin.
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