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Only if God Himself tells me that evolution is true, will I believe it, but until then, I'm going to continue to believe I am a descendant of Adam and Eve
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Solomon, the man who had apes imported, didn't buy it --- even calling it an "invention":
Originally Posted by Ecclesiastes 7:29
Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.
Neither did Paul buy it --- placing it in the same list as "fables":
Originally Posted by 1 Timothy 1:4
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
Not to mention calling it a "philosophy":
Originally Posted by Colossians 2:8
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Solomon, the man who had apes imported, didn't buy it --- even calling it an "invention":
Originally Posted by Ecclesiastes 7:29
Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.
GN, do you read the Bible this "literally?"
So "literally" you insert a 19th century AD scientific theory into your reading of the writings of King Solomon?
I have to ask, seeing as, y'know, both you and AV insist on reading the Bible "literally."
Neither did Paul buy it --- placing it in the same list as "fables":
Originally Posted by 1 Timothy 1:4
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
MASSIVE IRONY ALERT
Not to mention calling it a "philosophy":
Originally Posted by Colossians 2:8
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Note the "beware".
It's not, it's a methodology. And even if it were a philosophy, this verse does not necessarily imply that all philosophies are wrong.
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Ok so if we are not to take Adam and Eve literally, then that means we can discredit all their descendants.
Which means Adam/Eve through Noah were all mythical, then Noah to lets say Jesus were all mythical? If this is true, then wouldn't that be like saying the entire Bible is nothing more than a 66 Book fable?
So who exactly would of been the first human (i.e. evolved monkey) to have a conversation with God?
And do you take the story of the prodigal son to be a parable? Since it is in the Bible, if you don't believe it to be real, then clearly you cannot believe Jesus to be real. Thus, everything Jesus said was true stories, and not fictional tales to make a point.
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And do you take the story of the prodigal son to be a parable? Since it is in the Bible, if you don't believe it to be real, then clearly you cannot believe Jesus to be real. Thus, everything Jesus said was true stories, and not fictional tales to make a point.
Who said Jesus' parables were not actual incidents He witnessed growing up?
So what do you think he meant by the "rudiments of the world"?
All those phrases seem to me to representing anything not Christ-like in the world (within reason, e.g. 2+2=4 is a mathematical statement so could easily be construed to be as "worldly" as a scientific theory, but we don't throw it out the window because "ooh, it's worldly!").
However I don't believe evolution is inherently not Christ-like (frankly, I'd find it hard to see any scientific theory as "Christ-like" or not because they do not delineate morality), and I believe you know my feelings on whose fault it is if evolution "causes" someone to lose their faith.
That, and the usual rigmarole I've told you a dozen times about the folly of inserting your pet hates from 19th century-AD science into first-century religious texts, etc....
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Only if God Himself tells me that evolution is true, will I believe it, but until then, I'm going to continue to believe I am a descendant of Adam and Eve
I see... so, unless god personally tells you something, you won't believe it? Where do you draw the line on that little gem? Does god have to personally tell you the sun will rise tomorrow? How about medicine... does god have to personally tell you about the medication your doctor prescribes? How about gravity... when did you have a conversation with god about that one?
I'm just curious about where you stop believing in common sense and science, and where you start relying on god.
And do you take the story of the prodigal son to be a parable? Since it is in the Bible, if you don't believe it to be real, then clearly you cannot believe Jesus to be real. Thus, everything Jesus said was true stories, and not fictional tales to make a point.
I found in 3 different books where Jesus explained why He used parables.
Luke 8:4, Mark 4:10, and Matthew 13:10 (there may be more, but I think 3 is sufficient).
On the other hand I agree with AV, who is to say that these weren't true cases Jesus came upon and used them so man would understand what he was speaking of?
Honestly, I don't sit and read my Bible then try to decide which to believe and which not to believe.
So let me ask you. Do you believe:
Noah's Ark
Shadrach/Meshach/Abed-Nego being thrown into the fiery furnace and walking out unscathed
Daniel being thrown in the Den with the lions
Jonah and the whale
Moses parting the Red Sea
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I see... so, unless god personally tells you something, you won't believe it? Where do you draw the line on that little gem? Does god have to personally tell you the sun will rise tomorrow? How about medicine... does god have to personally tell you about the medication your doctor prescribes? How about gravity... when did you have a conversation with god about that one?
I'm just curious about where you stop believing in common sense and science, and where you start relying on god.
When science contradicts the Bible I will take Gods word of mans word. We aren't talking about the sun rising, doctors and medicine, etc. We are talking about where human life began, which is with Adam and Eve.
You know I would truly like to say that when I get to Heaven it will be the first question I ask God, but in all honestly I believe I will be in such awe with being in the Lords presence, that I will care less about the evolution crap scientist have come up with.
__________________ Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Don't let them fool you into believing that rhetoric, sis.
If you look at the definition of incest, it is the crime of marrying or having a relation with someone who is a near kin of yours.
Thus it came after the Levitical law that prohibits it.
So incest never existed prior to the law prohibiting it.
Remember our Prohibition Law?
Was everyone who drank whiskey in the decades prior to that law guilty of that crime?
Nope ---
So don't fall for that gag.
So there was no whiskey before Prohibition?
I presume then it was alright for Lot's daughters to
a) get their father drunk (before prohibition after all)
and
b) have sex with him and get pregnant?
Do you think the bible mentions this approvingly to show us how wise and resourceful Lot's daughters were?
Originally Posted by AV1611VET
Prior to God's prohibition, the gene pool was so pure one could marry a near kinsman.
In the beginning, when plants and animals didn't carry any mutations at all, this was acceptable; but after the Fall, when mutations started getting into God's creation, it evidently took several thousand years to taint the gene pool enough that God had to legislate a prohibition against it.
I am not sure you will actually find that 'pure gene pool' idea in the bible. But given that we share the same broken Vitamin C production gene as the other great apes, mutations in our gene pool predate the human race.
And in the case of Cain killing Abel, you may want to re-read that account.
God clearly warned Cain he was about to sin.
Cain was about to sin, and yet there was no commandment against murder. So clearly things could be sinful long before they were tabulated in Exodus and Leviticus.
Originally Posted by AV1611VET
Solomon, the man who had apes imported, didn't buy it --- even calling it an "invention":
Originally Posted by Ecclesiastes 7:29
Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.
Neither did Paul buy it --- placing it in the same list as "fables":
Originally Posted by 1 Timothy 1:4
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
Not to mention calling it a "philosophy":
Originally Posted by Colossians 2:8
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Note the "beware".
And after all that you still expect us to think you know how Genesis should be interpreted?
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