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16th June 2009, 04:57 PM
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Reps: 118,712,461,112,472,176 (power: 118,712,461,112,500) | | Originally Posted by Hespera  Jump in and comment here... I would bet every cent I could get my hands on, that if we got in a time machine and went back to check for the Red Sea being parted as described, there would be nothing to see....
So? You want to bet every cent you have on the totally unknown to science. Others prefer some evidence, records, accounts, etc.
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16th June 2009, 04:57 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,856,908) | | Originally Posted by Cabal Things don't become wrong only when God passes a law against it.
Prior to God's prohibition, the gene pool was so pure one could marry a near kinsman.
In the beginning, when plants and animals didn't carry any mutations at all, this was acceptable; but after the Fall, when mutations started getting into God's creation, it evidently took several thousand years to taint the gene pool enough that God had to legislate a prohibition against it.
And in the case of Cain killing Abel, you may want to re-read that account.
God clearly warned Cain he was about to sin.
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16th June 2009, 05:03 PM
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Reps: 638,891,084,824,015 (power: 638,891,084,827) | | Originally Posted by Cabal Well, the two creation accounts don't match, and two genealogies? royal family lines? in Chronicles (or maybe it's Kings) don't match, so it wouldn't be a first. Why are Jesus' genealogies in Matthew and Luke so different?
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16th June 2009, 05:04 PM
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Reps: 205,146,621,849,477,600 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET Prior to God's prohibition, the gene pool was so pure one could marry a near kinsman.
In the beginning, when plants and animals didn't carry any mutations at all, this was acceptable; but after the Fall, when mutations started getting into God's creation, it evidently took several thousand years to taint the gene pool enough that God had to legislate a prohibition against it.
And in the case of Cain killing Abel, you may want to re-read that account.
God clearly warned Cain he was about to sin.
Firstly, God isn't explicitly commanding Adam and Eve to commit incest, that's all you putting that bit in there -
(btw, it's funny how even after the funky fruit of The Fall messed everything up for us our genes were still so perfect that we could still inbreed? And yet I'm sure the Fall would be invoked by some creationists to explain away all those awkward little DNA fragments that REALLY make it look like we evolved from apes!)
- whereas He explicitly warns Cain, and it's recorded in the scripture that what He is doing is wrong.
Secondly - God still clearly considered murder wrong despite the fact that there was no moral laws put in place yet, and indeed that would not occur for many generations to come. So I'm gonna ask again, how do you decide which acts fall under the OK if not legislated against banner, and which fall under the ALWAYS WRONG banner?
Apart from backing up your creationism of course. 
But hey, priorities, right? It's only a bit of incest for several hundred generations!   |
16th June 2009, 05:06 PM
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Reps: 205,146,621,849,477,600 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by GuidanceNeeded
I'll read that in a sec, I was actually referring to lists in one of the OT books, but I can't recall which ones....anyway, iirc there's a discrepancy there too. |
16th June 2009, 05:40 PM
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Reps: 1,211,434,525,818 (power: 1,211,434,531) | | Originally Posted by GuidanceNeeded WOW throw temper tantrums much?
LOL yeah I feel your frustration. Because that is exactly how I feel when people say I evolved from some common ancestor of a monkey.
I'm frustrated because you won't listen. If you don't want to believe that we evolved from a common ancestor then why are you asking questions when you're not going to accept the answers you're given?
If you really want some answers to your questions, I suggest getting off the computer, going to the bookstore and getting a copy of Creation VS Evolution or the Counter Creationism Handbook. All your questions are in those books and all the answers to those questions are in there. It would save a lot of back and forth.
Secondly, the reason I typed it so large is because you've been told this a million times. Maybe this time you'll remember it.
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16th June 2009, 06:04 PM
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Reps: 638,891,084,824,015 (power: 638,891,084,827) | | Originally Posted by loveiseverywhere I'm frustrated because you won't listen. If you don't want to believe that we evolved from a common ancestor then why are you asking questions when you're not going to accept the answers you're given?
If you really want some answers to your questions, I suggest getting off the computer, going to the bookstore and getting a copy of Creation VS Evolution or the Counter Creationism Handbook. All your questions are in those books and all the answers to those questions are in there. It would save a lot of back and forth.
Secondly, the reason I typed it so large is because you've been told this a million times. Maybe this time you'll remember it.
No and I will NEVER believe I evolved from "a common ancestor of a monkey", even if told a million and one times. Oh and believe you me even without your large typed words, I do know what you guys say!
And if you read my first posting I am really talking about Adam and Eve and which part you guys start taking the Bible literally or the people of the Bible rather. This thread truly isn't about your common ancestor theory.
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16th June 2009, 06:23 PM
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Reps: 1,141,313,842 (power: 1,141,319) | | Originally Posted by GuidanceNeeded No and I will NEVER believe I evolved from "a common ancestor of a monkey", even if told a million and one times. Oh and believe you me even without your large typed words, I do know what you guys say!
And if you read my first posting I am really talking about Adam and Eve and which part you guys start taking the Bible literally or the people of the Bible rather. This thread truly isn't about your common ancestor theory.
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1) It's not his theory.
2) It's good to know you have made up your mind about something and are willing to dismiss any information that contradicts your own world view. It's not often that people like you admit that they are willfully-blind to any information outside of their narrow perspective.  |
16th June 2009, 06:32 PM
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Reps: 110,182,959,778,071,968 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by GuidanceNeeded No and I will NEVER believe I evolved from "a common ancestor of a monkey", even if told a million and one times. Oh and believe you me even without your large typed words, I do know what you guys say!
And if you read my first posting I am really talking about Adam and Eve and which part you guys start taking the Bible literally or the people of the Bible rather. This thread truly isn't about your common ancestor theory.
God Bless
I hope that I will never reach the point where i would say "I will NEVER believe .......". That is really kind of sad. I guess its why Im interested in science, I want to know how things really work, I want to know new things. |
16th June 2009, 06:37 PM
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Reps: 638,891,084,824,015 (power: 638,891,084,827) | | Originally Posted by Hespera I hope that I will never reach the point where i would say "I will NEVER believe .......". That is really kind of sad. I guess its why Im interested in science, I want to know how things really work, I want to know new things.
Ok I'll change it just for argument sake.
Only if God Himself tells me that evolution is true, will I believe it, but until then, I'm going to continue to believe I am a descendant of Adam and Eve
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