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16th June 2009, 11:56 AM
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ABC TURNS PROGRAMMING OVER TO OBAMA; NEWS TO BE ANCHORED FROM INSIDE WHITE HOUSE
A letter from the RNC to ABC: As the national debate on health care reform intensifies, I am deeply concerned and disappointed with ABC's astonishing decision to exclude opposing voices on this critical issue on June 24, 2009. Next Wednesday, ABC News will air a primetime health care reform “town hall” at the White House with President Barack Obama. In addition, according to an ABC News report, GOOD MORNING AMERICA, WORLD NEWS, NIGHTLINE and ABC’s web news “will all feature special programming on the president’s health care agenda.” This does not include the promotion, over the next 9 days, the president’s health care agenda will receive on ABC News programming.
Today, the Republican National Committee requested an opportunity to add our Party's views to those of the President's to ensure that all sides of the health care reform debate are presented. Our request was rejected. I believe that the President should have the ability to speak directly to the America people. However, I find it outrageous that ABC would prohibit our Party's opposing thoughts and ideas from this national debate, which affects millions of ABC viewers.
In the absence of opposition, I am concerned this event will become a glorified infomercial to promote the Democrat agenda. If that is the case, this primetime infomercial should be paid for out of the DNC coffers. President Obama does not hold a monopoly on health care reform ideas or on free airtime. The President has stated time and time again that he wants a bipartisan debate. Therefore, the Republican Party should be included in this primetime event, or the DNC should pay for your airtime
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Exciting stuff to witness...
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16th June 2009, 04:04 PM
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Reps: 5,277,724,039,642 (power: 5,277,724,054) | | | WRT the OP. The RNC doesn't run the country. Why should they be given equal time when the point of the Town Hall is for Obama to roll out his plan for health care? If it were Bush rolling out his plan, the DNC wouldn't be given equal air time. Every president is given the opportunity to present their policies on national television. Look at all the special coverage given to the Bush administration any time he wanted to discuss the war. Suddenly, when Obama does it, people start ranting about the antichrist.
It would be nice if a conservative Christian forum for once spent some time actually praying for the leadership of the country instead of trying to tear it down. At a time when Nero was ravaging the Christian population, you never once see Paul saying so much as a cross word about him. Instead, Paul preached about how we are to submit to secular authority and pray for it because it is ordained by God. Let's get back to our conservative roots and start doing what the Bible says we should do--pray for our leaders and support them.
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17th June 2009, 01:24 AM
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Of course that doesn't take into account the fact that many of the people are so oblivious they don't see it at all. | 
17th June 2009, 10:59 AM
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Reps: 3,535,994,952,310,234,624 (power: 3,535,994,952,310,267) | | Originally Posted by BelindaP Your analogies aren't quite right. For one, we are taught to submit to secular authority unless they tell us to go against our faith. Jesus taught it, too. Perhaps you recall his teaching, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and render unto God what is God's."
Also, Paul preaching about the 'Unknown God' did not cause the uproar. It was not the same as going into a mosque and telling people to repent and to preach Christ. Mars Hill was where the philosophers commonly went and debated. What Paul did was not considered weird or uncommon.
He is telling us to go against our faith by including "reproductive services" (abortion) as part of his health plan. To make it worse, this will require tax funding meaning that whether you agree with it or not our tax money will pay for abortions.
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17th June 2009, 11:02 AM
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I've studied history quite a bit, and I don't see the signs of fascism rearing their ugly heads.
For those interested, here are a few signs of fascist tendencies.
Trying to limit the media from reporting the full story on things.
Appealing to nationalism, i.e., saying people who disagree aren't patriots.
Trying to spread your political philosophies by force.
Arresting and disappearing people.
I don't see that happening right now. I have seen that in the recent past however.
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17th June 2009, 11:03 AM
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Reps: 5,277,724,039,642 (power: 5,277,724,054) | | Originally Posted by Hentenza He is telling us to go against our faith by including "reproductive services" (abortion) as part of his health plan. To make it worse, this will require tax funding meaning that whether you agree with it or not our tax money will pay for abortions.
I've been paying and will be paying for a very long time for a war I disagree with. I am paying to incarcerate people who have admittedly done nothing wrong except be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I am paying taxes to subsidize companies that treat people in other countries like slaves. I am paying taxes to execute people when I don't support the death penalty. I could go on and on.
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17th June 2009, 11:05 AM
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Reps: 3,535,994,952,310,234,624 (power: 3,535,994,952,310,267) | | Originally Posted by BelindaP I've been paying and will be paying for a very long time for a war I disagree with. I am paying to incarcerate people who have admittedly done nothing wrong except be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I am paying taxes to subsidize companies that treat people in other countries like slaves. I am paying taxes to execute people when I don't support the death penalty. I could go on and on.
Irrelevant.
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17th June 2009, 11:06 AM
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Reps: 5,277,724,039,642 (power: 5,277,724,054) | | So, the fact that I'm being forced to pay taxes for immoral things is irrelevant.
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17th June 2009, 11:09 AM
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Reps: 3,535,994,952,310,234,624 (power: 3,535,994,952,310,267) | | | No. The fact that if one endorses Obama's plan knowing that it is immoral would then one would be endorsing immorality. We probably won't have a choice on whether it passes or not and probably part of my taxes will eventually go to commit infanticide but I don't have to endorse it.
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17th June 2009, 11:18 AM
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Reps: 5,277,724,039,642 (power: 5,277,724,054) | | | Nobody here is endorsing his plan. I'm saying he isn't a fascist.
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