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Old 25th June 2009, 09:13 PM
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"male and female he created them"
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afflictions which the Lord sends are not great men imagine them
beyond their strength and are crushed by them. This is because
they will not humble their souls and commit themselves to the will
of God. But the Lord Himself guides with His grace those who are
given over to God's will, and they bear all things with fortitude
for the sake of God Whom they have so loved and with Whom they are
glorified for ever. It is impossible to escape tribulation in this
world but the man who is giver over to the will of God bears
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Old 25th June 2009, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Philothei View Post
"male and female he created them"
Are homosexuals not male or female?

...don't make us start the whole "Who created Steve?" thing. Because if G-d didn't make homosexuals, and homosexuals exist, then they are uncreated and co-eternal.
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Old 25th June 2009, 11:27 PM
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Oh snap....not that! j/k
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Old 25th June 2009, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sidhe View Post
Are homosexuals not male or female?

...don't make us start the whole "Who created Steve?" thing.
Yet it is very practical and sensible a position. And of course it is a fact.

Because if G-d didn't make homosexuals, and homosexuals exist, then they are uncreated and co-eternal.
Hmm, I can think of a lot of examples of different kinds of sexuality that exists in human beings, but I'd get in much trouble with the mods if I start offering up certain ones as also being created by God and therefore to be celebrated.

Also, it seems rather clear in the Bible that God created all of the peoples He subsequently judged and destroyed for doing abominations before Him. Were not these people also "created" by God?

In your logic, "anything goes" really does, as long as you make it out of the womb for a period of time.
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Old 26th June 2009, 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by sidhe View Post
Are homosexuals not male or female?

...don't make us start the whole "Who created Steve?" thing. Because if G-d didn't make homosexuals, and homosexuals exist, then they are uncreated and co-eternal.
conspiracy theories replace the creation story? hardly....
So no God created male and female.. Homosexuals are the ones who decide to 'chose" not to be that what God intented them to be

It is pretty simple... You are a female you have female organs that function as such and you mate wtih a male. The same for males. Again if the intention was not to create two sexes we would be basically have the same sexual organs and we could mulitply regardless what sex we are... It is not algebra ...(thank God) but pure logic here...
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glorified for ever. It is impossible to escape tribulation in this
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Old 26th June 2009, 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Philothei View Post
conspiracy theories replace the creation story? hardly....
So no God created male and female.. Homosexuals are the ones who decide to 'choose" not to be that what God intented them to be

All I know for definite is that I didn't choose my sexual orientation, and that when listening to homosexuals describing how they first realised that they were homosexual, there doesn't seem to be any basis for assuming that they chose their sexual orientation either.
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Originally Posted by David Brider View Post
All I know for definite is that I didn't choose my sexual orientation, and that when listening to homosexuals describing how they first realised that they were homosexual, there doesn't seem to be any basis for assuming that they chose their sexual orientation either.
I'll second that. I didn't choose to be heterosexual. It would be stupid of me to assume that homosexuals choose.
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Originally Posted by Philothei View Post
conspiracy theories replace the creation story? hardly....
So no God created male and female.. Homosexuals are the ones who decide to 'chose" not to be that what God intented them to be
So, was that tongue-in-cheek or are you too saying that a homosexual is no more than a deviant heterosexual?
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Originally Posted by Philothei View Post
Homosexuals are the ones who decide to 'chose" not to be that what God intented them to be
They decide to choose? Do they choose to decide to choose, too? What about deciding to choose to decide to choose? I bet those darn homosexuals do that, too.
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