I ask this because I hear people say Christians are supposed to obey the law of the land. And if they don't obey the law of the land then they will be committing sin. So, I was specifically curious about speeding? Let's say I consistently and deliberately go 1-5 mph over the speed limit. Would that be a sin?
I ask this because I hear people say Christians are supposed to obey the law of the land. And if they don't obey the law of the land then they will be committing sin. So, I was specifically curious about speeding? Let's say I consistently and deliberately go 1-5 mph over the speed limit. Would that be a sin?
REPENT! You have deliberately gone 1-5 mph over the speed limit. You have sinned against God Almighty and if you don't repent you may suffer an eternal damnation in which you will be tormented...day and night by fire!!!!!
Or...don't worry...be happy.
You decide.
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I ask this because I hear people say Christians are supposed to obey the law of the land. And if they don't obey the law of the land then they will be committing sin. So, I was specifically curious about speeding? Let's say I consistently and deliberately go 1-5 mph over the speed limit. Would that be a sin?
Yes.
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I was going to say it is difficult to manage your manual dextarity to go exactly the speed limit, most peoples skill level puts them at about 5mph above or below the speed limit depending upon terrain. If you become overly obsessed about your speed you could neglect other important aspects of driving like watching the road. If you are in a city im not sure how you could even get to the speed limit (unless your in a school zone) or if you are rapidly accelerating and slamming on your breaks which is extremely dangerous (but I see lots of people doing it). If you are on a highway just set your cruise control and you will be good to go. I think it becomes a sin if you are like you said willfully and malitiously disregarding the law which I dont know why you would do that for 5 mph, what does 5 mph buy you anyways like a few min off your commute, is it really worth it? Just drive with the intention of going the speed limit and understand that your speed will fluctuate due to the laws of physics which is why in your drivers manual you are allowed up to 3mph over the limit for such fluctuations. I think if laws become tedious and onerus to obey then your nations laws are going aganist the bible because Jesus yolk is easy and his burden is light and if your local laws have you jumping through hoops to stay "legal" I would question the validity of thoes laws as it applies to scripture of course that is not applicable to highway law so I digress.
lol. I think what Jesus was trying to say here is don't waste your time trying to get one over on the man all the time. It takes away too much energy. Focus on whats important and follow the law of the land when it doesnt come into conflict with your relationship with God. Why go 1-5 over the speed limit? Why waste your time worrying about it. Besides you'll get worse gas mileage. Which leads to a needless waste of gas and more polution of his creation.Just leave 5 minutes early and follow the speed limit. Its much easier that way. Then you can use the time you spent worrying about speeding doing constructive things with this life you have been so blessed to have.
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I ask this because I hear people say Christians are supposed to obey the law of the land. And if they don't obey the law of the land then they will be committing sin. So, I was specifically curious about speeding? Let's say I consistently and deliberately go 1-5 mph over the speed limit. Would that be a sin?
If we do it knowingly, willingly and dont even bother to try to obey the speed limit, Id say yes.
Not because its such a heinous crime, but more because we are showing no regard whatsoever for the law.
Is it ok to push the limits of the law or shouldnt we strive to obey them ?
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. This is not a gray area for Christians when the Bible speaks so clearly regarding compliance with ordinances; including, but not limited to: J-walking.
†. Rom 13:1-5 . . Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
. . For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.
†. Titus 3:1 . . Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed.
†. 1Pet 2:13-15 . . Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
Scofflaws follow the Devil
†. Mtt 4:10 . .Away from me, Satan! For it is written: Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.
Scofflaws are half-hearted.
†.Mrk 12:30 . . And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength:
Half-hearted Christians leave a bad taste in Christ's mouth.
†. Rev 3:14-16 . . The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this: I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I would that you were cold or hot. So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.
Scofflaws don't love Christ.
†. John 14:23-24 . . If a man love me, he will keep my words . . He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings
Scofflaws don't love God.
†. 1John 5:3 . . For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments: and His commandments are not grievous.
Scofflaw Christians are at risk of radical pruning.
†. John 15:6 . . If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are incinerated.
Scofflaws are little more than human beasts of burden.
†. Ps 32:9 . . Do not be like the horse or the mule, which have no understanding but must be controlled by bit and bridle or they will not obey you.
Scofflaws should not expect much of a reward.
†. 2Tim 2:5 . . Similarly, if anyone competes as an athlete, he does not receive the victor's wreath unless he competes according to the rules.
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If we do it knowingly, willingly and dont even bother to try to obey the speed limit, Id say yes.
Not because its such a heinous crime, but more because we are showing no regard whatsoever for the law.
Is it ok to push the limits of the law or shouldnt we strive to obey them ?
It's not that I have no regard for the law but I don't want to be the guy slowing down the flow of traffic. Where I live if you do the speed limit on the freeway you better stay on the right. Honestly, I wish people would slow down.
What is a scofflaw? Also how do christians deal with situations such as hitler, if you were a german should they just roll over to the whims of a mad man? I believe the bible says to obey the authorities until the authorities are in direct opposition to God such as hitler.
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. This is not a gray area for Christians when the Bible speaks so clearly regarding compliance with ordinances; including, but not limited to: J-walking.
†. Rom 13:1-5 . . Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
. . For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.
†. Titus 3:1 . . Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed.
†. 1Pet 2:13-15 . . Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
Scofflaws follow the Devil
†. Mtt 4:10 . .Away from me, Satan! For it is written: Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.
Scofflaws are half-hearted.
†.Mrk 12:30 . . And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength:
Half-hearted Christians leave a bad taste in Christ's mouth.
†. Rev 3:14-16 . . The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this: I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I would that you were cold or hot. So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.
Scofflaws don't love Christ.
†. John 14:23-24 . . If a man love me, he will keep my words . . He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings
Scofflaws don't love God.
†. 1John 5:3 . . For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments: and His commandments are not grievous.
Scofflaw Christians are at risk of radical pruning.
†. John 15:6 . . If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are incinerated.
Scofflaws are little more than human beasts of burden.
†. Ps 32:9 . . Do not be like the horse or the mule, which have no understanding but must be controlled by bit and bridle or they will not obey you.
Scofflaws should not expect much of a reward.
†. 2Tim 2:5 . . Similarly, if anyone competes as an athlete, he does not receive the victor's wreath unless he competes according to the rules.
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