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The strongest ideas in science are those with Multiple Independent Lines of Evidence (MILOE). The more lines of evidence an idea has, the stronger it is scientifically. Here are a few examples: Our genome has approximately 20,000 genes which can be independently sequenced, each of these genes codes for a protein which can be independently sequenced, and each of these proteins is composed of amino acid sequences. So when they give the same degree of relatedness with chimpanzees that is as close to proof as you can get in science. We have sequenced both the human and chimpanzee genomes. That’s tens of thousands of independent lines of evidence that converge on the same conclusion.
There are about a dozen radioisotopes used for dating and in the case of Uranium-Lead decay the lead isotope has a different decay rate so this actually gives us two independent methods to test the same sample. The age given by radiometric methods can be checked against stratigraphy, the retroactive plate tectonics, and the assortment of fossils in the layer. So that’s three additional independent methods ALL of which converge on the same result.
Keep in mind this is the convergence of MILOE on the same conclusion. You may try to reject one or many of these but the true power of this evidence is in the fact that they ALL AGREE.
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The strongest ideas in science are those with Multiple Independent Lines of Evidence (MILOE). The more lines of evidence an idea has, the stronger it is scientifically. Here are a few examples: Our genome has approximately 20,000 genes which can be independently sequenced, each of these genes codes for a protein which can be independently sequenced, and each of these proteins is composed of amino acid sequences. So when they give the same degree of relatedness with chimpanzees that is as close to proof as you can get in science. We have sequenced both the human and chimpanzee genomes. That’s tens of thousands of independent lines of evidence that converge on the same conclusion.
There are about a dozen radioisotopes used for dating and in the case of Uranium-Lead decay the lead isotope has a different decay rate so this actually gives us two independent methods to test the same sample. The age given by radiometric methods can be checked against stratigraphy, the retroactive plate tectonics, and the assortment of fossils in the layer. So that’s three additional independent methods ALL of which converge on the same result.
Keep in mind this is the convergence of MILOE on the same conclusion. You may try to reject one or many of these but the true power of this evidence is in the fact that they ALL AGREE.
This is a good point. Creationists like to pick at this particular fossil or that particular drawing of embryos made by Ernst Haeckel. They do not appreciate that the preponderance of the evidence leads to one conclusion... Common Descent.
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The strongest ideas in science are those with Multiple Independent Lines of Evidence (MILOE). The more lines of evidence an idea has, the stronger it is scientifically. Here are a few examples: Our genome has approximately 20,000 genes which can be independently sequenced, each of these genes codes for a protein which can be independently sequenced, and each of these proteins is composed of amino acid sequences. So when they give the same degree of relatedness with chimpanzees that is as close to proof as you can get in science. We have sequenced both the human and chimpanzee genomes. That’s tens of thousands of independent lines of evidence that converge on the same conclusion.
There are about a dozen radioisotopes used for dating and in the case of Uranium-Lead decay the lead isotope has a different decay rate so this actually gives us two independent methods to test the same sample. The age given by radiometric methods can be checked against stratigraphy, the retroactive plate tectonics, and the assortment of fossils in the layer. So that’s three additional independent methods ALL of which converge on the same result.
Keep in mind this is the convergence of MILOE on the same conclusion. You may try to reject one or many of these but the true power of this evidence is in the fact that they ALL AGREE.
It's good that this got its own thread. This is something that absolutely destroys almost all of the "arguments" creationists put forth.
I notice no creationists have commented yet. This is what usually happens when we discuss abstract ideals rather then inflammatory talking points.
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The strongest ideas in science are those with Multiple Independent Lines of Evidence (MILOE). The more lines of evidence an idea has, the stronger it is scientifically. Here are a few examples: Our genome has approximately 20,000 genes which can be independently sequenced, each of these genes codes for a protein which can be independently sequenced, and each of these proteins is composed of amino acid sequences. So when they give the same degree of relatedness with chimpanzees that is as close to proof as you can get in science. We have sequenced both the human and chimpanzee genomes. That’s tens of thousands of independent lines of evidence that converge on the same conclusion.
There are about a dozen radioisotopes used for dating and in the case of Uranium-Lead decay the lead isotope has a different decay rate so this actually gives us two independent methods to test the same sample. The age given by radiometric methods can be checked against stratigraphy, the retroactive plate tectonics, and the assortment of fossils in the layer. So that’s three additional independent methods ALL of which converge on the same result.
Keep in mind this is the convergence of MILOE on the same conclusion. You may try to reject one or many of these but the true power of this evidence is in the fact that they ALL AGREE.
I don't necessary agree with your radiometric dating example. You do not know what you are talking about. But, that is a minor issue.
Do you know the faith of Christianity also has MILOE? I think it is the BEST example of MILOE ever. It is too bad that you know little about it. Otherwise, you will be very very impressed.
I don't necessary agree with your radiometric dating example. You do not know what you are talking about. But, that is a minor issue.
Do you know the faith of Christianity also has MILOE? I think it is the BEST example of MILOE ever. It is too bad that you know little about it. Otherwise, you will be very very impressed.
I know that creationism is little more than denialism but could you give a DETAILED response instead of just vaguely stating an opposing position which was known before you posted?
__________________ "Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution" - Theodosius Dobzhansky
Do you know the faith of Christianity also has MILOE? I think it is the BEST example of MILOE ever. It is too bad that you know little about it. Otherwise, you will be very very impressed.
Maybe you should start a thread on it then. I would love to be very very impressed.
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I am yet to see a reply from a Creationist that stays focused on the science, and gives a respectful and reasoned response, or without resorting to ridicule of their opponent.
In the approximately 300 years since the scientific revolution what advances has either religion or science made in our understanding of the universe, and our ability to make use (for better or worse) of nature for our benefit?
Why do Creationists rubbish scientists? This really puzzles me.
Can I have a respectful and rational answer? If not, please don't reply.
Do you know the faith of Christianity also has MILOE? I think it is the BEST example of MILOE ever. It is too bad that you know little about it. Otherwise, you will be very very impressed.
Just a couple little points of order:
1) The "M" stands for "Multiple", and the "E" stands for "Evidence"... christianity has neither.
2) Even if we were to reduce the standard to REMOTELY apply to christianity... by that same standard, there would be far more "MILOE" for the existance of aliens and their fascination with probes.
I am yet to see a reply from a Creationist that stays focused on the science, and gives a respectful and reasoned response, or without resorting to ridicule of their opponent.
Actually, this is pretty uncommon on the evolutionist side too.
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