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Let's engage in fantasy for a moment like Darwinists do and pretend that the bible wasn't written by God but by a fallible human author, particularly a fiction novelist since the secular world claims that the bible is fiction.

Would you argue and fight about words in a fiction book and try to change the words in it? How much time would you spend trying to change the ending of "Little red Riding Hood" to make the "Big Bad Wolf" into a good guy?

If a fiction author said that the Flying Spaghetti Monster condemned you to hell, would you get furious and slander the author?

Of course not...unless you had some kind of mental disorder. Yet that's what the secular world tries to do with the bible that they claim is fiction. So either the secular world is so deluded that they can't tell fact from fantasy, or they know deep inside that the bible is the infallible Word of God, or both.

That's called suppression. Suppression is when someone consciously tries to deny something he knows to be true in his sub-conscience. An example of that is an alcoholic who is drunk most of his life and denies that he as a drinking problem.

I've asked this same question before to atheists and their response was;

"We're not afraid of the bible, we're afraid of Christians who believe the bible.'

My response to them is; Are you afraid of "Trekkies" (Star Trek fans)? Are you afraid of the fans of Harry Potter books? And better yet, do you curse the "Big Bad Wolf", Darth Vader or any other fiction character you consider a villain? If they tried to convince you that those books are true, would you argue with them? Or would you dismiss them as lunatics?

So sorry, but trying to change the words of a book you claim is fiction betrays your real knowledge that you know the bible was written by God and is thus, true.

So God is right, as always, in Romans 1:18, "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godless men who have suppressed the truth by their wickedness." That it is.

So instead of trying to prove God wrong or think you know better than God does, you would fare much better if you listened to Him because only He can determine your ultimate fate.
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Originally Posted by peace4ever View Post
Let's engage in fantasy for a moment like Darwinists do and pretend that the bible wasn't written by God but by a fallible human author, particularly a fiction novelist since the secular world claims that the bible is fiction.
First you provide Scripture that the Bible was either

a Dictated by

or

b Written by God.

Mine only says 'inspired by', and any visit to a Christian bookshop will show that being inspired by God is no guarantee against mediocrity, pretention and downright drivel.

Not that the Bible is any of those things, but just illustrating the problem with 'inspired by God' as a guarantee of infallibility, or anything else, for that matter.

So, you prove from Scripture rather than personal opinion the Bible's authorship as divine, and the text's incorruptible and infallible status, and then we can engage in discussion.

And incidentally you may care to note that nobody says the Bible is fiction, just that it is not literal history, for the simple reason that it does not anywhere claim to be literal history. In the same way as it does not claim to have been dictated by God, or to be infallible, or to be the final arbiter in all decisions.

It isn't rocket science.

they know deep inside that the bible is the infallible Word of God,
In fact, the Bible does not say so. The Bible says that the Word of God is Christ himself. Which makes your above statement both unBiblical and idolatrous, in raising that which is in creation to the status of the Creator.

Nice going.
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Originally Posted by Catherineanne View Post
First you provide Scripture that the Bible was either

a Dictated by

or

b Written by God.

Mine only says 'inspired by', and any visit to a Christian bookshop will show that being inspired by God is no guarantee against mediocrity, pretention and downright drivel.

Not that the Bible is any of those things, but just illustrating the problem with 'inspired by God' as a reference point.

So, you prove from Scripture rather than personal opinion the authorship as divine, and the text as incorrupt and infallible, and then we can engage in discussion.

And incidentally you may care to note that nobody says the Bible is fiction, just that it is not literal history, for the simple reason that it does not anywhere claim to be literal history.

It isn't rocket science.
I just did. The fact that you even take its words seriously enough to come here and discuss them proves that deep inside you know it's written by God...unless you argue and fight about the words in "The Iliad and the Odyssey" that was written by a human author.

So sorry friend, but look inside at your own contradictions because until you do, you won't be able to tell the difference between fact and fantasy.
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Originally Posted by peace4ever View Post
I just did. The fact that you even take its words seriously enough to come here and discuss them proves that deep inside you know it's written by God...unless you argue and fight about the words in "The Iliad and the Odyssey" that was written by a human author.

So sorry friend, but look inside at your own contradictions because until you do, you won't be able to tell the difference between fact and fantasy.
I take lots of books seriously, P4e. And I read them as well.

Care to address the issues I raised now, as our faith is not determined by what someone 'knows deep inside', but by what is actually written?

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Excellent post and makes absolute sense. They spend 24-7-365 trying to dispute it because they do know in their consciences that it's true or like you said, if you think it's a load of fiction, why bother? I was laughing all the way through it. Thanks for the laugh!

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Originally Posted by peace4ever View Post
Let's engage in fantasy for a moment like Darwinists do and pretend that the bible wasn't written by God but by a fallible human author, particularly a fiction novelist since the secular world claims that the bible is fiction.

Would you argue and fight about words in a fiction book and try to change the words in it? How much time would you spend trying to change the ending of "Little red Riding Hood" to make the "Big Bad Wolf" into a good guy?

If a fiction author said that the Flying Spaghetti Monster condemned you to hell, would you get furious and slander the author?

Of course not...unless you had some kind of mental disorder. Yet that's what the secular world tries to do with the bible that they claim is fiction. So either the secular world is so deluded that they can't tell fact from fantasy, or they know deep inside that the bible is the infallible Word of God, or both.

That's called suppression. Suppression is when someone consciously tries to deny something he knows to be true in his sub-conscience. An example of that is an alcoholic who is drunk most of his life and denies that he as a drinking problem.

I've asked this same question before to atheists and their response was;

"We're not afraid of the bible, we're afraid of Christians who believe the bible.'

My response to them is; Are you afraid of "Trekkies" (Star Trek fans)? Are you afraid of the fans of Harry Potter books? And better yet, do you curse the "Big Bad Wolf", Darth Vader or any other fiction character you consider a villain? If they tried to convince you that those books are true, would you argue with them? Or would you dismiss them as lunatics?

So sorry, but trying to change the words of a book you claim is fiction betrays your real knowledge that you know the bible was written by God and is thus, true.

So God is right, as always, in Romans 1:18, "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godless men who have suppressed the truth by their wickedness." That it is.

So instead of trying to prove God wrong or think you know better than God does, you would fare much better if you listened to Him because only He can determine your ultimate fate.
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Actually that's only half right. The Word of God is indeed confirmed by what someone knows "deep within them".

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves. Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another. Romans 2:14-15
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Originally Posted by Catherineanne View Post
I take lots of books seriously, P4e. And I read them as well.

Care to address the issues I raised now, as our faith is not determined by what someone 'knows deep inside', but by what is actually written?

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I take lots of books seriously, P4e. And I read them as well.

Care to address the issues I raised now, as our faith is not determined by what someone 'knows deep inside', but by what is actually written?

And how often do you try to change the words in the fiction books you read? If it's often, then why is that?
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Actually that's only half right. The word of God is indeed confirmed by what someone knows "deep within them".
Small 'w' for Bible. Big W for Christ.

The word cannot be confirmed if it is not first written.

If it isn't written, then it is just a warm fuzzy, without Biblical justification, is it not?
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And how often do you try to change the words in the fiction books you read? If it's often, then why is that?
I neither change the fiction nor non fiction books I read. What would be the point of that, exactly? Sometimes I agree with the non fiction, sometimes I don't. But I never bother to get the tippex out.

However, neither do I attempt to add to the words of Scripture, and read what is not there. I have pointed out several statements that you have made which are not Scriptural, and yet you seem to think this is not important.

So what exactly is your point, if you are happy to add to Scripture yourself, despite the warnings against constructing a man made gospel?
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I neither change the fiction or non fiction books I read.

Neither do I attempt to add to the words of Scripture, and read what is not there.

What exactly is your point?
Good. Then I trust you won't change God's words in Genesis to; "God created the earth 4.5 billion years ago by an explosion", like many people try to do, nor add to Genesis 2:7 to make it read; "For the Lord God formed the man out of the wombs of apes" like many do. If you're one who reads scripture as written , then my OP is not addressed to you. It's addressed to the many people who claim that the bible is fiction, yet tries to change its words.
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