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16th June 2009, 08:14 AM
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- Is there such a thing as abiogenesis?
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Reps: 12,567,898,174,147,644 (power: 12,567,898,174,166) | | Originally Posted by ToxicReboMan  Jesus quotes Genesis as if it were literal historical fact. Adam and Eve were created in the beginning and not billions of years later.
I really don't know what "quotes Genesis as if it were literal historical fact" means.
What would he say differently if he were simply quoting Genesis?
How would "quoting Genesis" be distinguished from "quoting Genesis as if it were literal historical fact"?
The latter sounds like some sort of mind-reading and across two millennia at that.
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Reps: 1,984,022,293,840,305,920 (power: 1,984,022,293,840,324) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET Two questions, Assyrian: 1. Did the angels come on the scene fully-evolved?
You have asked that before and were shown how completely irrelevant it is. Angels are neither biological life forms nor do they reproduce. What have they to do with evolution? Is there any suggestion in the bible God made angels the same way he made animals and humans? For example, do you think angels were made of clay? If not, what ever does God's creation of angels have to do with how he made biological life? 2. Is there such a thing as abiogenesis?
The bible seems to say there is. Gen 1:24 And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures. The earth is not living, yet God commanded the non living earth to produce life. Sound like abiogenesis to me, and interestingly that is the way the passage was interpreted by Church Fathers.
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16th June 2009, 10:03 AM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,856,908) | | Originally Posted by Assyrian [/indent]You have asked that before and were shown how completely irrelevant it is. Angels are neither biological life forms nor do they reproduce. What have they to do with evolution? Is there any suggestion in the bible God made angels the same way he made animals and humans? For example, do you think angels were made of clay? If not, what ever does God's creation of angels have to do with how he made biological life?
So God created life ex nihilo?
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Which came first in the universe?
[The] Life --- or non-life?
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But this is getting tedious AV, you have brought up the idea of life being created ex nihilo before, you were shown what ex nihilo means and you were shown they it simply doesn't apply to God creating life even if you take Genesis completely literally. What do you think God made Adam from? a) nothing
or b) dust
If you answer a) go back and read Genesis again.
If you answered b) you do not believe God created Adam ex nihilo
Why do bring up an argument you know is wrong?
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,856,908) | | Originally Posted by Assyrian But this is getting tedious AV, you have brought up the idea of life being created ex nihilo before, you were shown what ex nihilo means and you were shown they it simply doesn't apply to God creating life even if you take Genesis completely literally.
Let's put Adam aside for a moment and go back even further, clear back to where there was nothing but God, Himself.
Abiogenesis?
Yes or no.
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Do you even know what abiogenesis means?
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Reps: 70,027,930,524,366,400 (power: 70,027,930,524,374) | | Originally Posted by gluadys I really don't know what "quotes Genesis as if it were literal historical fact" means.
What would he say differently if he were simply quoting Genesis?
How would "quoting Genesis" be distinguished from "quoting Genesis as if it were literal historical fact"?
The latter sounds like some sort of mind-reading and across two millennia at that.
On the contrary, how you interpret Genesis is reading some "hidden" meaning from the text. | | |
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