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"..from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the house of God; yes, I tell you, it shall be charged against this generation." Luke 11:51
The same question remains for Christian evolutionists who are willing to answer the question directly.
Is Jesus referring to both a non-historical person (Abel) and a historical person (Zechariah) in the same breath?
"..from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the house of God; yes, I tell you, it shall be charged against this generation." Luke 11:51
The same question remains for Christian evolutionists who are willing to answer the question directly.
Is Jesus referring to both a non-historical person (Abel) and a historical person (Zechariah) in the same breath?
The individual you are challenging on this issue is running from the truth. The question cannot be answered honestly by TE's without betraying the naked truth about thier erroneous position on Genesis.
Excuse me? There was nothing personally about you in that entire statement. There is a standard tactic where one feigns being offended in order to try and get their target disciplined, ostensibly to "win the internet argument". It's a dishonest and immature tactic, and I hope you're not using it.
Those who have a desire to learn and understand typically answer challenges with something like "tell me why you think that" rather than "No, there aren't.". It's this type of thinking, of sticking to what you believe and never challenging it, that leads people to hold onto beliefs long after they are no longer feasible. It is a sad constant of history.
Come on. You are losing this argument because you cannot produce scripture that teaches evolution in any form. You can't because evolution is not only not found in scripture it has never occurred on this planet to begin with. It's just a fairy tale.
The individual you are challenging on this issue is running from the truth. The question cannot be answered honestly by TE's without betraying the naked truth about thier erroneous position on Genesis.
Well, I certainly haven't seen any direct answers to my question. One can only hope that they are trying to be honest with the entire context of the Bible.
Come on. You are losing this argument because you cannot produce scripture that teaches evolution in any form.
You can't produce scripture that teaches atomic structure in any form, either. So you don't believe that atoms exist? Really?
You can't because evolution is not only not found in scripture it has never occurred on this planet to begin with. It's just a fairy tale.
It's directly observed. Even speciation has been observed. Most creationist organizations admit that new species, genera, and even families evolve.
There are many things that are true, that are not mentioned in the Bible. However, the Bible does directly refute YE creationism, because it rules out the "life ex nihilo" doctrine of YE creationism.
Some other forms of creationism are not inconsistent with the Bible, of course.
"..from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the house of God; yes, I tell you, it shall be charged against this generation." Luke 11:51
The same question remains for Christian evolutionists who are willing to answer the question directly.
Is Jesus referring to both a non-historical person (Abel) and a historical person (Zechariah) in the same breath?
OK, I'll provide the context, then. Jesus is eating with some Pharisees. He notes their sinfulness - the fact that they look "clean" on the outside but are full of sin on the inside. He is blaming them for making a mockery of the sacrifice of all who have come before them through their uncleanliness. He is telling them that the sacrifices of the past are all on their heads.
...which is where the verse comes in. Jesus tells them "Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world." He repeats this thought by presenting a bookend of biblical martyrs representing "the time since the beginning of the world" - Abel to Zechariah.
The purpose of the scripture is NOT to proclaim the historicity of any character. The purpose is to stress to the Pharisees exactly whose sacrifices they are spitting on with their hypocrisy. I have heard, on many occasions, nonbelievers refer to Adam when specifying the beginning of humanity; they not proclaiming they believe in such a person, only in the symbol by which that person represents.
Come on. You are losing this argument because you cannot produce scripture that teaches evolution in any form. You can't because evolution is not only not found in scripture it has never occurred on this planet to begin with. It's just a fairy tale.
I can't produce scripture that teaches electromagnetism, or brain surgery, or aeronautical engineering, or computing, either. I don't imagine you think that just because the bible doesn't discuss something doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Or perhaps I'm typing on a fairy-tale machine into a fairy-tale internet using fairy-tale electrical currents right now.
I'm not really sure how to respond to you anymore, Calypsis4, because you simply refuse to recognize the hypocrisy in your own words even when it's pointed out to you. You do nothing but tell evolutionary creationists that they do not "believe" the Bible because they do not interpret it literally or historically throughout, then go on to say that the "stars" referred to in Revelation are actually meteors, that "firmament" (literally: hammered out metal) means "water canopy in outer space", that the pillars on which the earth sits are actually invisible and undetectable, and that the repeated description of the sun moving about the earth is actually a reflection man's limited perspective (but noooo... man's limited perspective never enters into the picture in, say, Genesis).
You're just not being consistent. You say one thing, yet you believe another. Not sure how else I can make you see it. Several of us here have tried but you don't seem to be listening.
__________________ We can allow satellites, planets, suns, universe, nay whole systems of universes, to be governed by laws, but the smallest insect, we wish to be created at once by special act.
-- Charles Darwin
Last edited by Mallon; 25th June 2009 at 01:05 AM.
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