I've only ever used microsoft and have heard macintosh operating systems are much more trouble free ... Is this true from anyone's experience here ? Or it it largely some marketing hype ?
Thanks
wm
All I have to say is that for the last year and a half I have had Windows Vista I have not had a single problem what so ever. Macs are also expensive for what you get than Windows Vista, Xp etc.
__________________ I used to be called Defender of Reason and Logical mind.
Where Christians see miracles I see events in time that don't happen every day.
99% percent of the internet is not a member of this forum. If you are part of the 1% percent that is copy and paste this in your sig. Faith: Belief of something without evidence.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. I am pretty sure God would not like to be summed up in 3 letters. I am also pretty sure that he would not condone the Crusades.
Just because that plant over there looks complex doesn't meant it was created by God.
Atheists don't believe in chance. Look up natural Selection.
What are you going to do with the computer? If you are going to surf the web and do some word processing then it doesn't really matter which one you buy. Look at a 300 dollar NetBook running Windows XP or Linux. If you have specialized needs worry about the software available for what you want to do, not the operating system. If you are going to develop software for profit, Windows hands down, for fun Windows & Linux dual boot.
If you always wanted to join a cult, don't mind buying new software for each major OS revision and have the money up front, buy Mac.
(Required disclosure, I owned both an Apple III computer and a Lisa in the 80's, $14,000 of useless boat anchors sold by Apple)
What are you going to do with the computer? If you are going to surf the web and do some word processing then it doesn't really matter which one you buy. Look at a 300 dollar NetBook running Windows XP or Linux. If you have specialized needs worry about the software available for what you want to do, not the operating system. If you are going to develop software for profit, Windows hands down, for fun Windows & Linux dual boot.
If you always wanted to join a cult, don't mind buying new software for each major OS revision and have the money up front, buy Mac.
(Required disclosure, I owned both an Apple III computer and a Lisa in the 80's, $14,000 of useless boat anchors sold by Apple)
__________________
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
I was using Windows based systems for years, got to the point family brought their computers to me for repair. Upgraded them, cleaned them up to run better. This spread to everyone I knew would bring their machines to me. We bought an Imac for our home office and my wife took to it like a fish to water. It took me a bit longer to understand it but I started to enjoy it. We had 4 desktops and a laptop in our home that were all windows based and I scrapped them all in favor of Macs. We started with Ibooks for the kids and Imacs for my wife and I with the inclusion of a laptop for us to do things when not in the office. I would never go back to a windows machine as my main computer. I have one just to tinker with when I get bored with the Mac, not having to defrag or do virus checks or things like that. I now have a Macbook Pro, my wife has the newest Macbook air, my youngest daughter has my wife's old Macbook air and my oldest daughter won't part with her black Macbook for new. I also have an older 12" power Mac for my work truck when I get it set up.
The Mac's in my opinion are worth the extra cost because they are more stable, they hold their retail value longer, and the notion about lack of software/games is a crock implanted in everyone's head so they will stay loyal to Windows. The Mac's lack of problems alone is worth the little cost difference to me, yes little cost difference. If you take the original cost of both machines, factor in the OS, extra software, virus protection, malware/spyware protection, keep it for a few years and sell it, the mac will leave more money in your pockets, this is from experience and first hand accounts.
and the notion about lack of software/games is a crock implanted in everyone's head so they will stay loyal to Windows.
That depends entirely on what your idea of 'software' or 'games' is. When said people talk of lack of games, they're talking about heavy gaming, first-run titles, not board gaming like Jewel Quest, Solitaire, or Backgammon (even though a huge argument about that is if you want those types of games, just go buy an Xbox[360] or PS3). And most of those first-run games do not have a Mac version - the only way to possibly get them to work is to use them with Crossover, which is not the same as them actually being for Mac itself. To truly live up to that title, the games have to be native apps, not running through a Windows compatibility layer.
And specialty software is another area where it may or may not be as well-equipped. As I mentioned in my video editing comparison, AviSynth, which is an indispensable tool due to its sheer power, but it only runs on Windows - unless you use it via Wine, in which case it works, but it's crippled because it lacks the ability to use AVISource or DirectShowSource (which depend on pieces of Windows' API, VFW and DirectX, that haven't been well-ported yet). There isn't any reasonable alternative to it that runs natively on a Mac, and the plans for version 3.0 to be cross-platform died with the death of version 3.0 in general.
The Mac's lack of problems alone is worth the little cost difference to me, yes little cost difference. If you take the original cost of both machines, factor in the OS, extra software, virus protection, malware/spyware protection, keep it for a few years and sell it, the mac will leave more money in your pockets, this is from experience and first hand accounts.
Except malware/spyware protection is readily available for free, virus protection can be free (or not even necessary, if you have the proper shunts in place; I've not needed or used an anti-virus in years), and 'extra software' is so ambiguous that you can't really quantify it, not to mention being highly specific to what one does with a computer.
Frankly, most programs people shell out money for, there's a free alternative (open source or not) that works just as well or better. It's just sometimes not as convenient to find, because the user actually has to use their brain and search for it. And paying for convenience is not something I'd factor into comparing Windows to Mac. Especially since the same principle applies to the Mac - many of the programs for it that people pay good money for are often completely superfluous as well (and at least in terms of those open source programs I mentioned being good replacements on Windows, many of them have Mac versions, because they maintain cross-platform compatibility, so you'd be using the same programs anyway).
__________________
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Is the pain of not knowing, worth the price of saying nothing?
This could go back and forth until Christ returns and there will never be an agreement. I have friends who are professional recording artists, photographers, drafts people, videographers and web site creators who fellowship with others in their own profession and none of them use a Windows based computer and agree that the Mac is superior for their needs. If you are an adult and would like to play games on your computer then sure go with a Windows machine, but I would just go after an xbox etc. myself and use my tv instead. I have used my Mac in the past for some newer games like NFS and Quake just to see the response and it played full screen, highest res without a flaw. I use my computer for work and for creating audio/video projects and having done everything I need to do on both a Mac and a Windows machine, I am just saying I would not go back.
What is a full version of Windows worth compared to Leopard? The average person doesn't know enough to look for 'free' software on the internet to battle those problems only Windows computers are hampered with.
The commercials that Microsoft has come out with trying to convince people that you can't find a laptop or computer for x# of $ are shooting themselves in the foot when the actor must 'settle' with a cheaper model.
I am not a Mac fanboy, I know that Windows computers have their place in society, it just isn't with the professionals who know the difference.
If you have truly had the full experience of working on a Mac then I doubt you would be pushing a Windows computer, I have never come across anyone who has.
I have a desktop running Linux/Windows dual boot. Rarely if ever boot into Windows anymore because for programs that I absolutely need to use in Windows because they don't work in Wine, I am taking advantage of the free Windows 7 RC and Virtualbox to run it as a VM.
I also have a MacBook Pro laptop. Used to have an iBook G4. I bought that one with my own money when I started college (Yes, I still had a desktop then too). I got this new one as a graduation present. My list o' stuff to buy with my newfound income included a laptop after a TV, and it wasn't going to be a Mac. They're honestly too expensive for what they give you. For the average user it's ok, but I am comfortable enough to run Linux and not even bother with Windows. My goal was to buy a cheaper laptop and format some version of Linux over the pre-installed Windows. The iBook was DEFINITELY not worth what I paid for it. 1,000 dollars for a 30GB hard drive, 1.4 GHz celeron processor, and some crappy integrated video card. Granted, it was in 2005--but still.
The fact of the matter is, a Mac out of the box costs more than a Windows-based laptop. If you're smart about what programs you get on your Windows laptop (i.e. free ones), it'll still be cheaper than a Mac after all is said and done. I'm not bashing Mac OS itself here. Mac OS is a great operating system. It's built on a solid Unix foundation and once you delve into it, it's just as satisfying of an experience as running Linux.
The thing I am bashing on is Apple's tendency to overcharge for their products. They make very few things, in my opinion, that are worth what they cost. Those things would be the iPhone and iPod Touch. There aren't really any other devices that stand up to them, in my opinion. There are other things that emulate it, but the iPhone/iPod Touch have a user experience, simplicity, and power that puts them in a class of their own.
Mac computers, though, I just don't see them being worth what they cost when you can get something free (in more ways than just cost) like Linux. I'm posting this from my MacBook right now, of course, since I *still* don't have my own internet connection. Verizon is dropping the ball... But I think it'll finally be resolved tomorrow and I'll at least get my internet when I'm scheduled to get it.
Basically, I'd take a Mac if someone gave it to me (which I did ), but I wouldn't buy one myself.
This could go back and forth until Christ returns and there will never be an agreement. I have friends who are professional recording artists, photographers, drafts people, videographers and web site creators who fellowship with others in their own profession and none of them use a Windows based computer and agree that the Mac is superior for their needs.
And out of all those cases, how much of it is simply OS X itself, because the playing field for that stuff has largely been leveled. There's just momentum from all the years that Windows was at a genuine disadvantage. I experienced the huge bias against Adobe Premiere when I took my media courses, where we were flat-out told that if you don't use Avid or Final Cut Pro, they won't even look at you (which somewhat flew in the face of reason considering the number of high-profile productions that did or do use Premiere, but I digress). Even though Photoshop and After Effects are industry standards, Premiere would get the short end of that stick.
The point of that is that for a few years there, Adobe had stopped updating the Mac version of Premiere, and only started to again after the switch to Intel. Can't remember which CS-version it was, but prior to that the last version was 6.5, I believe, which was the last version before Premiere Pro arrived. It was a good four or five year gap.
The average person doesn't know enough to look for 'free' software on the internet to battle those problems only Windows computers are hampered with.
Their waste of money, then. My point was that in trying to compare price, it's not fair to factor in software that is only paid for out of convenience and secondary concern (and yes, I do view some security measures as secondary, because it takes very very little knowledge to nearly or completely avoid those dangers; non-willingness to address personal behavior that leaves yourself wide open to attack will wreck even the best protected of systems), because the prices and quality of the software can vary greatly.
I am not a Mac fanboy, I know that Windows computers have their place in society, it just isn't with the professionals who know the difference.
If you have truly had the full experience of working on a Mac then I doubt you would be pushing a Windows computer, I have never come across anyone who has.
Believe me, I'm not 'pushing Windows', and I previously said I have no real problems using a Mac when I need to. If I was able to accomplish every single task I normally do on Windows under Linux (which I've used on a dual-boot status for the last four years), I'd probably switch to it and not look back.
If I came off as confrontational in my previous post and in this one, that was not my intention.
__________________
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Is the pain of not knowing, worth the price of saying nothing?
What are you going to do with the computer? If you are going to surf the web and do some word processing then it doesn't really matter which one you buy. Look at a 300 dollar NetBook running Windows XP or Linux. If you have specialized needs worry about the software available for what you want to do, not the operating system. If you are going to develop software for profit, Windows hands down, for fun Windows & Linux dual boot.
If you always wanted to join a cult, don't mind buying new software for each major OS revision and have the money up front, buy Mac.
(Required disclosure, I owned both an Apple III computer and a Lisa in the 80's, $14,000 of useless boat anchors sold by Apple)
Hi Don , and all ,
I mostly use the PC for surfing the web looking up info , writing on web sites and playing a few relatively simple games , like scrabble . But have sometimes been bothered a bit by all the time I seemed to be spending updating and downloading protective measures , ( have slow connection ).
Linear Mode
