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13th June 2009, 09:30 AM
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Reps: 15,461,686,232,085,960 (power: 15,461,686,232,100) | | Originally Posted by vossler  I'm not interested in getting into a long fruitless discussion so I'll summarize this entire topic down to this. TEs don't believe that God meant six days when He went to great pains to clearly state exactly that throughout Genesis 1 and 2. This was nicely summarized in Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day."
This despite the fact that the days are clearly individually distinguished.
How long was the seventh day, vossler?
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Reps: 17,483,847 (power: 17,493) | | Originally Posted by shernren How long was the seventh day, vossler?
The same as the first and every subsequent day.
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__________________ And who that has understanding will suppose that the first, and second, and third day, and the evening and the morning, existed without a sun, and moon, and stars?
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... to insist that the rising of the sun is figurative while the rising of the Son is literal is also hypocrisy.
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Reps: 17,483,847 (power: 17,493) | | Originally Posted by shernren Then why doesn't it end with the same refrain as the other six days?
I honestly don't know. There are lots of ways that I could speculate as to why but I probably won't know until that day I meet my Lord and Saviour.
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Reps: 15,461,686,232,085,960 (power: 15,461,686,232,100) | | | Well, it's because God's seventh day Sabbath rest isn't over yet:
For we who have believed enter that rest, as He has said, "As I swore in my wrath, 'They shall not enter my rest,' although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
For He has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: "And God rested on the seventh day from all His works."
And again in this passage He said, "They shall not enter my rest."
Since therefore it remains for some to enter it ...
- Hebrews 4:3-5
So there's at least one "day" in Genesis 1-2 that isn't a 24-hour period. (Three if you include the ones in Gen 1:5 and 2:4; by a literalist viewpoint, the former was less than 24 hours long and the latter was much longer.)
And why exactly was it that YECs considered the six days of Genesis 1 24-hour-days?
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- Origen, 215AD [De Principiis 4.1.16]
... to insist that the rising of the sun is figurative while the rising of the Son is literal is also hypocrisy.
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Reps: 44,404,246,110,554,912 (power: 44,404,246,110,568) | | Originally Posted by Assyrian You do realise the phrase 'flat earth' never meant smooth? As I pointed out, people back then did know about mountains and valleys.
The seal stamped out "the (whole) earth", not the landforms of the earth. |
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Reps: 44,404,246,110,554,912 (power: 44,404,246,110,568) | | Originally Posted by Gus2009 The seal described in Job is actually gravity....Now there is a non-literal translation if ive ever heard one. Come on now.
Gravity is only one element in the illustration. The "seal on clay" illustrates (not represents) the process of planet formation. Remind you that we do not quite know how does it work yet. But the verse "tells" us that all planets were, are and will be made "the same way". I don't think any cosmologist dares to tell you that. Were the earth and the Jupiter made the same way? The Bible verse answers: some critical processes MUST be the same.
It is one revealed by the 20th Century science. What is wrong with that? if there were 22nd Century, the "seal on clay" illustration will become more true then ever. |
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Reps: 44,404,246,110,554,912 (power: 44,404,246,110,568) | | Originally Posted by crawfish That's exactly the kind of thing I mean when I say "retrofitting God's word to a rationalistic view".
The problem is on that "what if you do can retrofit it?"
How do you understand the faith that the Bible is forever true? Do you think some verses in the Bible were only true to people lived "before 500 B.C."? Which verse turned out not to be true just 100 years ago? | | |
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