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20th July 2009, 10:45 AM
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They do pretty much trash YE creationism. And they affirm abiogenesis. But they don't say much about evolution. |
19th August 2009, 01:46 AM
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Reps: 41,916,162,461,324 (power: 41,916,162,465) | | Originally Posted by ScottyK  Howdy all,
I accept evolution and an old earth as true. I don't have a problem with you if you disagree with me, but that's not the point of my post, so please hold your persuasion for another thread.
I have several friends, though, who are YECs. I was wondering if anyone knew of a good book (or books) that gives a wholly Christian perspective on evolution and an old earth.
What I've seen a lot of in books on this subject include: - Non-Christian or mixed-faith perspectives (Christian Buddhism, Unitarian Universalist, etc) that are not grounded in Scripture.
- Disrespectful attitudes (Perhaps entertaining for an evolutionist to read, but such attitudes are not about to convince someone from the other tent).
- Copious amounts of verbosity (400+ pages of Biblical commentary, analysis, and opinions).
I'd like to find a book that is reasonably short (200 pages or less, if possible), contains a respectful attitude toward YECs, and uses Biblically based arguments (in addition to solid science) to show how evolution and an old earth are true.
Does such a book exist?
Thank you in advance!
Scott
Hi Scotty.
Philadiddle's recommendation "The Langauge of God" by Francis Collins is an excellent read. I am only up to page 150 but am impressed by his knowledge and his candour - and also his delivery. There is not a hint of derision or anti-creationist rhetoric in it.
Francis Collins is a firm believer in God and was head of the Human genome project and has an impressive list of credentials to his name and is openly acknowledged to be one of the world's foremost living scientists.
SR.
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19th August 2009, 04:39 AM
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In the Beginning: The Opening Chapters of Genesis - Henri Blocher
Original Sin: Illuminating the Riddle - Henri Blocher
Dawkins' God: Genes, Memes, and the Meaning of Life - Alistair McGrath
Noah's Ark and the Ziusudra Epic - Robert Best
A Study of the Interpretation of Noah and the Flood in Jewish and Christian Literature - Jack Lewis
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12th June 2010, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Mallon They're all pretty good. My favourite is probably Evolutionary Creation, though it's a bit of a slog at nearly 500-pages, if I recall. The author, Denis Lamoureux, recently released a condensed version called I Love Jesus and I Accept Evolution, but I haven't read it yet.
Otherwise, I'd probably go with Beyond the Firmament. Again, all those books are quite good, and each touches on different aspects of evolution and Christian theology.
Hello all,
I don't mean to revive this thread, but I do want to thank you all for your input. I ended up buying Beyond the Firmament for my now-wife, and I'm happy to say that she has left the YEC camp! She feels much more comfortable accepting evolution, thanks mainly to Gordon J. Glover's approach of delving deeper into the Bible and its context rather than tossing it aside and saying, "Well this is just what the science says!"
Thank you once again!
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13th June 2010, 11:05 AM
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13th June 2010, 04:39 PM
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Reps: 26,510,215,182,048,496 (power: 26,510,215,182,059) | | Originally Posted by ScottyK Hello all,
I don't mean to revive this thread, but I do want to thank you all for your input. I ended up buying Beyond the Firmament for my now-wife, and I'm happy to say that she has left the YEC camp! She feels much more comfortable accepting evolution, thanks mainly to Gordon J. Glover's approach of delving deeper into the Bible and its context rather than tossing it aside and saying, "Well this is just what the science says!"
Thank you once again!
ScottyK
I would also highly recommend "Only a theory" by Kenneth Miller. I've just read this book and if you're interested in more of a scientific explanation it is one of the best out there, it's short and to the point. It also discusses how evolution really can give us a purpose, instead of making life just the "product of chance".
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14th June 2010, 05:28 AM
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