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7th June 2009, 02:19 PM
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Reps: 18,889,155,825,852,136 (power: 18,889,155,825,864) | | Originally Posted by Dream3wb723  WOW
This is NOT what I was expecting.
Lookes like this is going to get very interesting.
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I'm surprised you're surprised! Christians accept evolution the world 'round. In fact, 40% of evolutionary scientists fully accept a god who answers prayer. Really, creationism's only stronghold is in the U.S. Bible belt (with pockets in Australia and the UK). Most Christians elsewhere have long accepted evolution.
It's really not so unheard of.
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Straw Man argument.
Nothing more need be said.
Really, all you're giving is a Straw Man and a Slippery Slope, which you've repeated vainly in every single thread here.
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7th June 2009, 04:39 PM
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Reps: 10,818,175,665,014,668 (power: 10,818,175,665,020) | | Originally Posted by Dream3wb723 Another question I have then:
As an evolutionist, if this process is "true", how do you see the power of God then, meaning mirrical wise?
The slow process of evolution and the power of God in one room?
There are to many gaps when looking at this?
How do you see the power of God in any natural process? Does having a natural explanation diminish God's responsibility for something? |
7th June 2009, 05:54 PM
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Reps: 162,057,471,836 (power: 162,057,477) | | Originally Posted by Mallon I'm surprised you're surprised! Christians accept evolution the world 'round. In fact, 40% of evolutionary scientists fully accept a god who answers prayer. Really, creationism's only stronghold is in the U.S. Bible belt (with pockets in Australia and the UK). Most Christians elsewhere have long accepted evolution.
It's really not so unheard of.
Everyone around the world in the 19th century also accepted that bleeding people cured diseases, including the whole scientific community.  And most people around the world believed that Hitler was a peaceful man except Churchill and a handful of his followers.
So believing things just because the majority believes them is what makes people like Hitler popular. But as Jesus say s, few will find the truth as the world proves. So if you consider yourself a follower of Christ, you'll have to be in the minority and be treated by the world like Jesus and his disciples were.  |
7th June 2009, 06:15 PM
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Reps: 18,889,155,825,852,136 (power: 18,889,155,825,864) | | Originally Posted by peace4ever Everyone around the world in the 19th century also accepted that bleeding people cured diseases, including the whole scientific community. And most people around the world believed that Hitler was a peaceful man except Churchill and a handful of his followers.
So believing things just because the majority believes them is what makes people like Hitler popular. But as Jesus say s, few will find the truth as the world proves. So if you consider yourself a follower of Christ, you'll have to be in the minority and be treated by the world like Jesus and his disciples were.
I wasn't advocating accepting evolution based on an appeal to numbers. I was simply pointing out that fundamentalist Christian creationists are in the minority, contrary to what Dream3wb723 thought. So are flat-earth creationists.
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7th June 2009, 06:25 PM
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Reps: 162,057,471,836 (power: 162,057,477) | | Originally Posted by Mallon I wasn't advocating accepting evolution based on an appeal to numbers. I was simply pointing out that fundamentalist Christian creationists are in the minority, contrary to what Dream3wb723 thought. So are flat-earth creationists.
So if you know that the truth can't be determined by a vote any more than a vote can determine whether the world is round or flat, then why did you even present numbers? 
I'll clue you in; on a recent survey of mainline churches, 83% of people who called themselves Christians don't believe that Jesus is the only way to God. That means that the overwhelming majority of Christians are not Christians because they don't believe Jesus when he tells us; "I am the way the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me."
But Jesus also tells us in Matthew 24;10 that the closer we get to end times, many will grow away from the faith. That is also confirmed by 2 Timothy 4:3 "For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what itching ears want to hear. They will turn away from the truth and turn aside to myths."
Well, the time has come. Most Christians are abandoning Christ's words to follow myths that animals can turn into people so they can belong to the world and be popular...which is why most people go along with the majority.
So sorry, but it's pointless to list how many people who call themselves Christians who have abandoned Christianity to follow scientists as infallible gods because I already know that is happening because Jesus told us that would happen. So sorry, but a vote can't determine what animals and humans breed in the real world. But those who don't know what animals and humans breed, have to ask the other people.  |
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Reps: 18,889,155,825,852,136 (power: 18,889,155,825,864) | | Originally Posted by peace4ever So if you know that the truth can't be determined by a vote any more than a vote can determine whether the world is round or flat, then why did you even present numbers?
Because Dream3wb723 was surprised to learn how numerous evolutionary creationists were. I was simply giving him an idea about the numbers.
Cripes, peace4ever, why do you always have to be so nosy and difficult? Show some grace for once.
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Reps: 162,057,471,836 (power: 162,057,477) | | Originally Posted by Mallon Because Dream3wb723 was surprised to learn how numerous evolutionary creationists were. I was simply giving him an idea about the numbers.
Cripes, peace4ever, why do you always have to be so nosy and difficult? Show some grace for once.
If he wants to find answers that agree with reality, all he has to do is read the bible because the bible tells us that many will grow away from the faith. So as always, all is going according to biblical prophesy. |
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Reps: 614,209,768,952 (power: 614,209,771) | | Originally Posted by Mallon I'm surprised you're surprised! Christians accept evolution the world 'round. In fact, 40% of evolutionary scientists fully accept a god who answers prayer. Really, creationism's only stronghold is in the U.S. Bible belt (with pockets in Australia and the UK). Most Christians elsewhere have long accepted evolution.
It's really not so unheard of.
For me this was unheared of till my father gave me the info to come to this site (Christian Forum.). Its not that I live in my own world, I go into live with my eyes wide open, and to be honest, the most Christians I know deny evolution and the evolutionist (till now) that I have known and still do. Does not want to believe in a god/God.
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13th June 2009, 06:41 PM
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Reps: 614,209,768,952 (power: 614,209,771) | | Originally Posted by crawfish How do you see the power of God in any natural process? Does having a natural explanation diminish God's responsibility for something?
When looking around, seeing everything as it is created now.
The thing as been human I think, is to question everything, witch is our right. Just sometimes seeing God working in man, is for me a greater gift. We know God created all, just how it was done is a riddle. Looking at man trying to figure this part out is something interesting for me.
God gave us the responsibilty in looking after everything as He said in Genesus. To get to the point. God power in heeling and supernatural way of helping people and doing things is what shows me, God is... | | |
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