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7th June 2009, 11:01 AM
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Reps: 162,057,471,836 (power: 162,057,477) | | Originally Posted by Dream3wb723  Sorry about the spelling. It was never my strong point. (eng is my third language)
Normally I see people use the term evolution as proof that God never existed. The term "Evolutionists prove the bible true." Is new to me. The people that I come up with are those that never wanted to believe that God ever existed. They hide on the facts of evolution as something that happened with out the help of God.
Also seeing that this is to proof God and not some kind of animal factor. I will keep to your first update:
1: Are humans animal?
In my words no.
We are created in the image of God
Animals were just created.
2: Crystals can be created in seconds if you know theory and what is going on in some industries. (I know, my father work for one of them)
Evolution says these things are created over millions of years. (in fact, in some places of the world, you can still see how things like this is been formed.
3: Evolution also want to proof that humans are there own god.
Exodus, Chapter 20, 003: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
I do not question God, but I question man.
Jews, Muslim, christian and so on...
From my side: I would love to know something from you:
Where and how you got to the topic - "Evolutionists prove the bible true."
Did you read my post? Jesus told us that people would not believe His words (which is all of scripture as John 1:1-2 and John 1:14 says) unless they first believe Moses and the Prophets. Evolutionists do not believe Moses and the Prophets. So they prove Jesus right when he says those people will reject him as well. 
Evolutionists also prove the bible true because Romans 1:18-20 said that the godless will not believe him either but it tells us that people are without excuse for not believing God since He has made His existence plain by what has been made. And that, He has.  |
7th June 2009, 11:56 AM
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Then your English is excelent. 1: Are humans animal?
In my words no.
We are created in the image of God
Animals were just created.
Biologically, humans are animals. Yes, humans are unique among animals in certain ways, but we are still animals. 2: Crystals can be created in seconds if you know theory and what is going on in some industries. (I know, my father work for one of them)
Evolution says these things are created over millions of years. (in fact, in some places of the world, you can still see how things like this is been formed.
There is a very, very big difference between laboratory conditions where such crystals are made, and the natural conditions in which they occur. 3: Evolution also want to proof that humans are there own god.
Exodus, Chapter 20, 003: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Evolution says nothing of the sort. evolution is merely a process, nothing more. It makes no claims about God at all.
I'm an evolutionist and a Christian. There is no conflict. |
7th June 2009, 12:42 PM
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Reps: 614,209,768,952 (power: 614,209,771) | | Originally Posted by peace4ever Did you read my post? Jesus told us that people would not believe His words (which is all of scripture as John 1:1-2 and John 1:14 says) unless they first believe Moses and the Prophets. Evolutionists do not believe Moses and the Prophets. So they prove Jesus right when he says those people will reject him as well.
Evolutionists also prove the bible true because Romans 1:18-20 said that the godless will not believe him either but it tells us that people are without excuse for not believing God since He has made His existence plain by what has been made. And that, He has. John 1:1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John1:2: The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:14: And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Romans1:18: For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;Romans1:19: Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.Romans1:20: For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Sorry, but I dont see ther words you speaak of in the word.Maybe in Rom 1:20
But see the following before going on:
Romans1:21: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.Romans1:22: Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Going by the word.....
Why am I still disagreing? |
7th June 2009, 12:47 PM
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Reps: 614,209,768,952 (power: 614,209,771) | | Originally Posted by LightHorseman Then your English is excelent.Biologically, humans are animals. Yes, humans are unique among animals in certain ways, but we are still animals.There is a very, very big difference between laboratory conditions where such crystals are made, and the natural conditions in which they occur.Evolution says nothing of the sort. evolution is merely a process, nothing more. It makes no claims about God at all.
I'm an evolutionist and a Christian. There is no conflict.
Sorry
Only saw this update now.
I was writing the other note now.
I must congratulate you, you are then the first evolutionist Christian that I know, and trust me, I've looked every were.
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7th June 2009, 12:54 PM
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Stick around. There are many of us here. 
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7th June 2009, 01:10 PM
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Reps: 614,209,768,952 (power: 614,209,771) | | Originally Posted by LightHorseman Then your English is excelent.Biologically, humans are animals. Yes, humans are unique among animals in certain ways, but we are still animals.There is a very, very big difference between laboratory conditions where such crystals are made, and the natural conditions in which they occur.Evolution says nothing of the sort. evolution is merely a process, nothing more. It makes no claims about God at all.
I'm an evolutionist and a Christian. There is no conflict.
Another question I have then:
As an evolutionist, if this process is "true", how do you see the power of God then, meaning mirrical wise?
The slow process of evolution and the power of God in one room?
There are to many gaps when looking at this? |
7th June 2009, 01:14 PM
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Reps: 614,209,768,952 (power: 614,209,771) | | Originally Posted by Mallon Stick around. There are many of us here.
WOW
This is NOT what I was expecting.
Lookes like this is going to get very interesting.
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7th June 2009, 01:20 PM
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Reps: 178,751,386,065,373,056 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Dream3wb723 Another question I have then:
As an evolutionist, if this process is "true", how do you see the power of God then, meaning mirrical wise?
The slow process of evolution and the power of God in one room?
There are to many gaps when looking at this?
God is eternal and omnipotent... I see no reason why God couldn't just create the universe with life being a property of it. I believe in miraculous intervention, but I don't believe it was used to Create life |
7th June 2009, 01:51 PM
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Reps: 614,209,768,952 (power: 614,209,771) | | Originally Posted by LightHorseman God is eternal and omnipotent... I see no reason why God couldn't just create the universe with life being a property of it. I believe in miraculous intervention, but I don't believe it was used to Create life
Fair answer
Genesis1:24: And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Genesis 6:7: And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Just see the following:
It is just to think about.
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7th June 2009, 02:10 PM
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Reps: 178,751,386,065,373,056 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Dream3wb723 Fair answer
Genesis1:24: And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Genesis 6:7: And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Just see the following:
It is just to think about.
Regard
I believe God created life... just not the way it says in Genesis. He created a universe where life would arise through naturalistic processes, and look! here we are | | |
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